If Toronto can play half decent next week and we play the same then we are there for the taking.
Lam looks and sounds totally out of his depth.

We look and play like a bottom 4 team.
IL can't afford to wait all season for Lam to turn it around.

The gate on Thursday won't clear 8000 at best.

Hardaker doesn't score that try last week - nor does he get the Cas player sin binned for preventing another try.

He's solid defensively, but offers nothing in attack from FB.

I got slated for saying Lam ain’t good enough, people said give him a chance.

I got slated for saying Hardaker is better at fullback with French to 6, when Gildart is fit.

I got slated for saying Harry Smith couldn’t defend and I’d rather play Shorrocks there. Smith needs to work in his defence in the reserves before he plays another Superleague game because he’ll be targeted.

I didn't watch all your game last week but I went last night..... Looks like Hastings is under performing massively compared to last year.

To be fair to Smith no one on the left side looked good last night. Two weak tries given away.

Not many will defend Lam after last nights lack of performance. I wouldn't let him near the u18s let alone the first team.
It's always everybody's else's problem never his. We always train well (we must do as "he" is on the pitch) but don't do it on match days. I just don't rate him one iota.

That was a team selection that was never going to win at Cas. How many times recently have their old heads just battered us on that narrow pitch? Where is the go forward? Clubb is blown after a few minutes, Partington and Smithies are tackling machines but neither are impact players so it seems that we are setting ourselves up just to keep scores down. Either Lam has to sort out our underperforming pack by getting the likes of Bullock and Clark ready or someone needs to sort out Lam who seems unsure about how to fix the problem.

Clubb is a liability and for me shouldn't be anywhere near the first team.
If Clark "one of the most explosive forwards in the game" can't get a game before Clubb that says it all really.
A poor pack led by a poor coach.

It does not matter who is the Coach, the problem is the Owner/Chairman!

How is it his fault Lam won't pick the big signings we made?

You can put the coach at the door of Mr Lenagan after the Edwards fiasco but he made significant investment into this team and signed off on bringing players in who, on paper, should be bringing about an improvement.

The playing side which has been widely criticised on here and twitter, is down to Lam.

EDIT:

Lam was the easy choice to make for coach. I doubt if there was any sort of recruitment process other than offering it to Lam. That was a mistake at the time and it’s showing to be a huge misjudgement now. I just hope Mr Lenagan realises his error and gets rid.

Lenagan has given Lam a better squad than many that Wane had at his disposal.

Owner=Fine

Playing staff=fine

Coach=?

Why has Lam never been given a head coaches position elsewhere? You really have to wonder.

Whats the drill with clark then ? His ego not fitting in through the changing room doors ?

I jest.

I initially didn't wanna lose him and was a little sad when he left. However, it's worth noting, he NEVER started a game for a Cas. He was 15 minutes off the bench in the 2nd half. He ain't a Liam Watts, Luke Thompson, Walmsley type forward who's gunna play big minutes and carry your forwards or be a pack leader . He's a short burst impact player but he ain't a kid now either. Did he want a bigger role ? Is he capable of more ?

Time will tell, but if ain't getting in your 17 last night then it brings some big questions up about him and that ain't any disrespect to your younger lads.

Big questions on playing staff too. Burgess, Clark, Greenwod and Bullock for starters for a variety reasons.

I wrote Lam off last year after the Barcelona debacle. If anything his bs comments just makes the hole bigger.

Lam’s interview is worrying saying it’s an attitude problem. That’s down to you pal.

I just don’t understand what our plan is in attack. What are we trying to do out there.

With Wane/maguire it was very clear structure, big shifts with dummy runners, giving it to the full back out the back in space with an overlap. Even in games where we got battered at least we had a plan.

Embarrassing last night, that 3 penalties given away when WE had the ball!

Makes it worse that Lam was brought in to ply an expansive game.

Last night none of our players looked like they could break a tackle, none of them can offload. We barely make breaks.

We should give smith another go imo, yes he didn’t look great on the tries, but his kicking game was exceptional, something we’ve missed.

Smithies, Partington, Bryne, Havard are all great but don’t think at this stage of there career they should all play at once.

Clubb 2 year contract looks absolutely laughable.

Joe Burgess looks finished.

I’d give Greenwood a go, we need a bit of flair.

Lam out for me.

Bullock the last I heard had been fined over a grand for various discipline issues mainly being late for training.
If this is ongoing he needs to go asap. I can only assume that at this point we can't find a buyer.

One penalty from Lockers, not that bad surely?

What big signings. apart from French?

Bibby, a average centre/winger from Salford.
Burgess, a player past his best.
Clarke, that good for Castleford, they sent him on loan to Leigh
Hastings, yet to show anything of the form he showed for Salford and did nothing in the Great Britain team.

Since, the time of Madge, the quality of the squad with the exception of John Bateman and Academy players, has gone down both from within our own game and especially from down under.

Lam may have some faults, but you can only do a good job with what is provided, especially if you work for a employer who will not give you the right tools.

Rubbish

I told you Lam said the dreaded line..."we trained hard this week"

Same old. Same old.

I believe the issue isn't down to Lam...Shaun Wane mentioned a couple of times on local radio about not having control over signings, and wouldn't expand on it, but you could tell he wasn't happy about it. The recruitment is down to Rads and IL.

Funny, i said we needed to be playing Greenwood after last week and was shot down. Now people are saying play Greenwood.

Isa is not good enough. I dont care if he is a hard worker, a great person and has a big heart. You are either good enough or you are not and he is not good enough. He offers nothing at all ball in hand. He must be a defenders dream come true he is so one dimensional.

Dont get me started on Tony Clubb. His performances have got to a level that im not sure he could hold down a place in the championship. His stats are becoming disgusting on a regular basis. Wasnt it 2 drives last week?

Can we dispense with this myth that Tommy is better at 9 than he is at 7. Hes not. The only reason he played 9 for NZ is because they had better players in the halfs and were short in the hooker dept at the time.

J Burgess is done. Ive been saying it since last year. The guy should be shipped off ASAP. Tom Davies offered more than Burgess and we let him go. Manfredi must replace Burgess next week.

I have no idea why we signed Bibby. Every time i watched him at Salford he seemed to offer nothing. He now offers nothing but in a Wigan jersey. Why did we sign him when Hankinson can do just as good of a job covering centre? I kept quiet and gave him a chance just in case id missed something but i hadnt.

Now we get on to Hastings. He looks as ineffective as Williams did last year. I am unsure if its because of the options around him, if he was a big fish in small pond at Salford or if he does not really want to be here. Perhaps a combination of all 3? He was garbage for GB in November and he seems to of brought that same form with him to Wigan. The jury is still out on this guy for me.

If Bullock is an issue someone needs to give him a helping hand. He could be a great asset. If he cannot be on time then organise a car pool because we are becoming a laughing stock. Did anyone in management sit down and work out where we were going wrong? It has been obvious that we were lacking size but it does not look like we have brought in the right players and probably we have kept hold of some who should have been moved on. Now it looks like we are putting our hopes on a group of youngsters who are all a couple of years short of maturity. All we need now is to blame them and ship them out to bring in even more rubbish like we have in the past.

I agreed last week with you and I agree still now. He is a good line runner and makes meters with each carry. The only downside is that he doesn’t seem to have the heart.




He’s an off the bench impact player for me. Not a regular starter. Perhaps I’m soft for the aggressive hard workers like him and Partington but I’m not sure I fully agree with you.



The least said about him the better.



Equally he isn’t a good 7. He needs to be faded out and used sparingly as an interchange for Powell with Borouh taking over.



Again I don’t quite agree with you. Tom Davies was 50/50 for me on reliability but if you put J Burgess up against Marshall then Marshall every time.



His signing baffled me at the time and still does now. We’re stocked in the centres and wingers and he’s no better than what we’ve got IMO.
Willing to give him a chance though. And under a better coach he may look the part.



I think he has the same issue as Williams; no runners and the players around him have no idea what they’re doing as they’ve no direction. Hastings for me is a good player and should be partnered with French in the halves but even then it wouldn’t turn us around. We need direction and we don’t have it and that comes from the Head Coach.

Why should we be playing Greenwood when every single performance he's put in since about the middle of last season has been poor? He's was poor in pre-season, slightly better but still disappointing for the reserves against Widnes. In his last few first team games he looked lazy and ineffective. I'm in agreement about Isa not really being good enough, but his 100% effort is better than what Greenwood was serving up last season, that's why Isa is still in the side. We really could do with a genuine threat on the right edge, a bit of size, a good offload, which is something Greenwood can offer - but at some point he could do with putting the effort in. He's been outshone by Joe Shorrocks, Jack Wells, Harry Rushton, Kai Pearce-Paul and James McDonnell so far in pre-season. Just giving him a starting spot because he's big seems a bit risky.

Agree about Clubb. He needs ditching. He generally puts in the bare minimum and goes off injured. I don't see why it's worth having him in the side when we could have almost anyone else there who will work harder for longer.

Tommy can play 9 as well as he can play 7, he's got negatives and positives in both and has never looking 100% like one or the other. He can't play hooker for 80 minutes though and that's the big drawback. We'll be sticking with Powell and that's the best option. We should be trying to phase Tommy out of the team and replacing him with a half who has a good kicking game.

Burgess has everything needed to be England's best winger. He looks well short of that at the moment though. I wouldn't say he's playing badly right now, but he's a long way from his best. I was a big fan of Tom Davies. Even in his shakier moments he still offered a lot. He made great carries and was constantly involved, he was quicker than people thought and a good finisher.

I'd say Bibby and Hastings need a bit of time. They were playing in a different set up and 2 games isn't really enough to judge. Bibby is certainly nowhere near Gildart's quality though, which is what we lack. I'd also say that despite how much criticism he got, Sarginson's carries are being missed too.