Then they would be called 'thubtitleths'

Have to admit I thought McG was milkiing it after he went down and indulging in gamesmanship to put Pat off and I suspect that is an element of what Piggy and Tommy thought but no one likes to see a player get a serious and possibly career threatening injury. That said he didn't endear himself to the West Stand by giving us the finger as he was carried off.

All things considered Bluey and JP are trying to deflect the attention off their side and put all of the focus and pressure on Wigan, fair play to them if they feel they need to but Madge and Wane will just carry on doing what they have been doing all season and let others rant and moan while they get on with the job.

We've answered our critics in the best possible way this season by going out and turning sides over, yes we have conceeded a lot of penalties but it's usually because they've not kept their cool as they have probably been told to do and fallen foul of wind up merchants (Joel vs Leeds and Stu vs Hudds) or because they have just had a brain-fart (Coley vs Catalans).

We just need to keep our cool and worry about our game, let Leeds get themselves wound up and if we keep our cool and don't conceed daft penalties (mentioning no names Joel!!!) then we are the better side and should be able to win.

This was in a thread where Wigan fans were talking about preparing Phil Clarke masks after his comments regarding Danny Mcguire deserving a potentially career-ending injury. Showing a picture of the injury which did end Clarke's injury highlighted the hypocrisy of Clarke and some Wigan fans support of his comments.

The fact you havent levelled the same ire at those supporting Clarke highlights your hypocrisy.

The fact that thread has now been removed highlights the huge hypocrisy in the moderation of this board.

The Clarke picture was in bad taste, but its use wasnt to mock Clarkes injury but to highlight said hypocrisy. If someone was simply mocking Clarkes injury and not referencing his comments then I wouldnt defend it.

Your comments on this thread compared to your comments on the now deleted thread (were you try to justify the use of a neck injury picture) prove that your one of the biggest hypocrites to grace these boards , and i think the mods did the correct thing ,although leaving it in place would have shown you up to the hypocrite you really are .
PS Nowhere in any of my posts will you find me condoning any injury on anyone .
PPS Criticism of the moderation proses is against the aup .. hth

Funnily enough - I doubt it. We've generally played much better when we haven't given away lots of penalties. I suspect that you would find that the games we've given away the most penalties would be the ones we've lost. The last leeds game was a prime example when we let a team back into the match with silly penalties. The last giants game was another. In both games we let dirty tactics by our opponents get to us and rather than stick to the game plan; we sunk to their level - Joel Tomkins stupid kick on McGuire (following his elbow to the face) a prime example. Likewise the CC game that we lost. That's not to say that we haven't been beaten by better teams this year - but it's clear to see that the Wigan fans have not be happy by the tactics of other clubs.

Most of our penalties have been technical ones - and considering the way that certain coaches complained about our defense; I am pretty sure that didn't exactly help us. The standards of the referees in our game are at an all time low and some seem to take great delight in blowing the pea out of their whistle when they ref us. Others have been influenced by the media or the crowd at away games. Likewise some of our sin-bins have been frankly ridiculous, the Coley one on Burrow being a prime example (especially considering Ablett stayed on the pitch for one of the worst challenges I have ever seen); the one that Farrell got for a supposed late challenge on McQuire when he rolled around on the floor like he was a goldfish out of water being another.

Wigan have got the best results when we have played fast free-flowing expansive rugby; coupled with tight and aggressive defense.

If McClennan/Peacock is not trying to dial up the tension and turn the game into a grudge match filled with brawls and biff, then why are they making all the noise in the press? No-one from the Wigan camp has started harping on about wanting to settle the score or being cheated out of the last game. Neither have any of our players called any of the Leeds team "cowards" for their actions - which considering some of the challenges that they (Peacock included) have targeted on one of our best players is hypocritical to say the least. Or is it just a coincidence that Tomkins has been victim to some calculated acts of thuggery by the Leeds pack?

I think you find i made the exact same point on the other thread, maybe you are confusing me with someone else.

And I didnt say you condoned injury to anyone. I said you havent levelled the same criticism at those proposing Clarke masks as you did at the person who put the picture of Clarkes injury on the other thread highlighted your hypocrisy.

Spot on.

You cant seriously be blaming other teams for you giving away the most penalties in the league. Of course you have done better in the games you have given away fewer penalties, thats the sam for everyone.


So now its the referees and other coaches fault as well? you cant seriously beleive that the responsibility for Wigan giving away the most penalties lies with opposition players, opposition coaches, referees and THEN Wigan.
and everyone else would accurately say the same

your attempts to paint Wigan as the victims of a conspiracy where big bad Leeds are being big and mean to little angel Tomkins + Co are silly. Wigan have their fair share of people ready to mix it. They are the most penalised team in the league and Joel Tomkins is the most penalised player. That is the case not because of a conspiracy but because they also arent afraid to mix it, they also arent afraid to bend te rules. Peacock said it was a cowardly act because it was. I have no doubt that if Riddell or Lueluai knew the full extend of Mcguires injuryt they wouldnt have done what they did.

Smokey, if you don't like the way this board is run, you can always just leave.

A lot of opposition fans are given a great deal of leeway on this board, far more so than is shown on southstander for example.

ha ha, 13 odd pages of this and i've read about a handful of decent posts. shouldn't this thread be renamed the slang off match between rlfans networks???



at the end of the day phil clarke is not a wigan coach, player or anything to do with the club anymore. what he said, whether rightly or wrongly was said and thats that. nothing that he said or what we say as a result will prove whether mcguire did indeed bring the injury on himself or not and of course whether he deserved it.

all i will say is what goes around comes around. it seems to me that leeds will take a good battering on saturday and i would be saying that if i wasn't a wigan fan.

as i mentioned in a previous thread where i was subjected to verbal abuse from a mother at the wigan v leeds play off game, people will somehow someway get what they deserve and hopefully good will come of this.

as a wigan fan, i love nothing more than hating the leeds team. maybe it is because of their recent successes since wigans last decade of demise. maybe it is because i am truly jealous of their "support" as sinfield mentioned in a bbc story earlier tonight, a support which by the way wasn't enough to ensure they were the best supported team this year. i'd happily take a loss against saints or wire before leeds and every injustice that has come of us in that leeds game last week (i know we didn't exactly do ourselves any favours) will be flipped on its head come saturday.

wigan will progress to the final and the rest of the rl world will realise what kind of team leeds really are through and through. wigan have won the league the honest way, leeds have won nothing yet because they have not.

For you education and edification ,I reported the thread to the site admin rather than posting any form of justification on any injury , actions speak louder than the words of any hypocrite.
Put any spin on it you like you should be ashamed of that post and your own response . you have no credibility as far as i'm concerned , you've not even got the backbone to admit it was a poor lack of judgment.

Stop trying to pretend you have a valid opinion.

its a legitimate point. Im not calling for mass sackings. Simply highlighting hypocrisy.

You do realise it wasnt me who posted the picture dont you? I said the same as i did on this thread which I am happy to stand by.

As i say i think you have confused me with someone else

So that's Peacock, now Sinfield, who is it going to be tomorrow, they must be getting twitchy.

The Sinfield thing is more a bit of naughty journalism than anything.

Would you like me to post the screen capture of what you did post which was justifying the post from the other numpty on this thread .
Try to wriggle out of this anyway you want you didn't post the pic AND I NEVER SAID YOU DID . BUT you tried to justify the posting of it .

Yes, please, by all means. Then maybe you could explain to the class how it differs in principle from what i have put on here where i also justified the posting of it

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Howard Beale wrote:Well come on are you actually proud of this post or are going to admit that you have made a mistake and it is in the worst possible taste ,to try and get some sort of one up man ship from picture of anybody in a neck brace is unbelievably low , do you realise that other people read these forums .

i think it was to highlight that Phil Clarke masks celebrating his comments regarding an injury would also be in Bad taste.

SMOKEY TA WROTE .

I would be very disappointed if any of our fans were to have posters of this =#FF0000but it does a good job highlighting the lack of class shown by Clarke and some people with regards to Mcguires injury.

yes, and would you now like to explain how that differs from what i have put on this thread. It does do a good job of highlighting the lack of class shown by Clarke and some people with regards to Mcguires injury and highlights their hypocrisy

You mean the way you try to come across all i don't know why all this bad feeling is about and then you post on the locked thread using the line it does a good job , and then call other posters hypocrites.
I'll Leave it at that you can claim any victory you want .
PS if you had denounced the locked thread which you didn't it would have been more in keeping with your earlier posts on this thread .

you might want to read it again. I explained i would find it disappointing if Leeds fans did have posters of that picture but it was and is a good way of highlighting the hypocrisy. The two things arent mutually exclusive.

Its a fairly simply view, not particularly nuanced, im not sure why it upsets you so.

Yet when I said that we would try and avoid the game descending into a ugly mess; you suggested that we would be looking to turn it into a penalty-a-thon on Saturday night as we were the most penalised team in the league - make up your mind. In both losses to leeds this year; leeds have sought to stop rugby being played and to turn it into a grudge match. McClennan clearly instructs players to use intimidation and dirty tactics.



I never said that the fault laid at the door of everyone else first. What I said was that the pressure put on inept referees by the like of Kear and McClennan has had an effect. Likewise some teams - leeds being a prime example have bitched and whined at referees throughout the game to try and put pressure on to force them to give penalties.



Big bad leeds - don't be silly. Cheap shot merchants would be a better description; with the coach be the worst culprit for trying to paint his team as "Angels". Anyone who heard his comments over the Ablett incident who could have no doubt he was a total and utter disgrace to the game! Trying to play the ball - the only thing that Ablett tried to do was break Tomkins jaw with his forearm. If that had been Joel Tomkins on Burrow then you would have demanded that he be banned for life.

It's funny - but I have yet to see the leeds thugs go after anyone from Wigan who is prepared to mix it. They seem to go almost exclusively for one player. But I am sure that you will say that the Wigan fans who accuse your coach of bringing cheap thuggery into the game as being paranoid.

Tomkins discipline needs work - a lot of Wigan fans suggested he should have been banned for the silly kick on McGuire (elbow to the face not withstanding). However I have yet to see any leeds fan say the same about the leeds team's discipline.



Playing to the limit of the rules is done by every single team in the league. Be it not being back ten, inching forward before the play of the ball, not standing square etc etc. However due to the media attention for Wigan's wrestling defense (large down to sky's trained chimps); I do think that Wigan have AT TIMES been unfairly penalised. I also think that some of the punishments handed out by referees and the RFL have at time been ridiculous (like the examples I gave which you didn't pass comment on). Here's another: Stuart Fielden was banned for throwing a punch after a confrontation that involved an opposition player deliberately trying to damage his ankle ligaments. He was banned for a match. Matt King and Paul Wood of wire both threw punches in a confrontation on Saturday (Wood ran 20 metres to do so) neither were even charged.

The difference between the leeds and Wigan coaching staff has been one camp has bitched whined and complained and sought to justify their players foul play. Constantly appealing against bans and crying in the press rather than accept the punishment. I don't think that Riddell would have had a go at McGuire had he known the extent of his injury; however considering the amount of pain that McGuire would have been in; I doubt he paid much attention to it anyway. McClennan and Peacock have simply tried to use this to deflect blame away from McGuire for what he did. I have yet to see a single leeds fan criticise McGuire for what was a incredibly cynical professional foul in what was a very unsatisfactory end to what had been a riveting game. They have all said that "you would have done the same" as if two wrongs make a right. Some have even claimed that McGuire was trying to steady himself on Carmont! Blindly refusing to accept what he did was wrong.

For Peacock to say that shouting at a downed opponent was cowardly, when he himself tried to take the head off of a player that is half his size in a recent match (before high-fiving his thug mates) is a bit rich

[url=http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/McClennan-hoping-for-retraction-over.6541523.jpMcClennan's turn again to go off on one![/url

So basically we can summarise the last week and 14 pages of bollox as:

Some Leeds fans making a fool of themselves (ironically mostly those who changed their avatar to a crying baby)
Some Leeds players making a fool of themselves
The Leeds coach making a fool of himself
The captain of England making a fool of himself
A Sky pundit making a fool of himself
Some Wigan fans making fools of themselves
Some extremely lazy journalists desperately trying to stoke the fire

Anyone else notice those who haven't?