Do people really need to see more of Goulding and Pryce to be able to make a judgement on whether they can cut it?

If that's the alternative I'll fund a two year contract for Carmont out of my own pocket.

I'd be tempted to let feka go tbh if celtic came in for him and we could move fast for the somebody

i would like to see how he goes under the mcguire regime. if we can get him back to the size when he first arrived we could have the best impact prop in the game on our hands

Both need 1 more year before we can categorically see if they have a future at Wigan which is exactly why a 1 yea deal is perfect for us with regard Carmont.

Goulding and Pryce would have one more season to show if they can do it. If neither can then another player will be brought in I'm sure. If they can both hack it then the club is in a very good position indeed.

As for Graham, would he pass IL's due dilligence test?
He might leave Saints. Graham will not want to go but he could be sold!
That would be a real test, Graham says he'll see his contract out and Saints need to sell.

Feka needs to be kept no doubts about it.

I'd seriously question the intelligence of any club, coach or owner who sold a player as devastating as Feka.

It's simple we lose Feka we lose any go forward we had in the pack.

Get him on a strict regime and he'll be the best impact prop in world RL

I can see Bailey moving into the centres next season, he is a steady pair of hands defensively and can pass a ball, plus with the likes of Joel, Mossop, Farrell we've plenty of cover in the 2nd row.

I do wonder whether Maguire has some inside information regarding the Storm pack, Johnson is already going to Catalans (supposedly) and if rumours about Watmough are to be believed I wonder if Melbourne are wanting rid of a couple of props. Think Lima and A.N.Other were mentioned on one of the Aussie sites last week. Hence why we're keen to free up space on the cap.

TBH as great as George has been the last two years I think we could cope for a season without him, then if Pryce or Goulding aren't cut out for the job we can offload Bailey, Pryce (OOC next season?) and get in a big name centre (Lyon is also OOC next season is he not?).

One other option is Gasnier who is apparently out of favour at Stade Francais and from watching them play Bath yesterday had a right stinker! Obviously there would be a transfer fee involved but IL has shown he's willing to do it the hard way.

(If we could get Sonny Bill too we'd be laughing!)

SBW hasn't played club rugby this year i don't think?

He seems to have dropped of the face of the earth rugby wise especially as a lot more focus has been on the Touloun club as a certain MR Wilkinson is there.

He's one of those few players who could walk onto any team in both the NRL and SL and automatically be one of their star players.

If he left we would be able to replace him with a quality forward.

Feka might be devastating for a couple of drives but his lack of mobility is a liability in defense.

Guess that is were we differ I think Feka is a quality player!

His weight is an issue you can't hide that fact but it's not a massive obsticle.

I'd only take Morley, Graham and Peacock over him from players in SL as I think he's that good. If he got fit he would be up at that level as well IMO

Key point highlighted.

Feka needs to get himself fit and lose two stone. Going forward he is very good (although some games this season he has gone missing) but defensively he has been dire. Teams can pick him apart. Warrington in the semi-final being the best example. If you're half a yard ahead of Feka your away. I can see why he isn't picked to represent any team at the international level.

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In terms of George Carmont it is a no brainer. Sign him up!

FECA NEEDS TO LOSE 2 STONE OF FLAB AND BECOME THE MUSCLE BOUND RAMPAGING ANIMAL THAT WE SIGNED.

Rant over!!!!!!

That's the key point Feka is unfit and is making big yards but yet he's majorly unfit! We need him 2 look like he did when he first signed as if he's making the yards now he'll be a major player for us when fit

Goulding's played about 50 games over the last 3 seasons or so. Why does he need yet another season to decide if he has a future? What are you hoping to see that he hasn't had enough time to deliver already?

Unless Pryce has a heart transplant, nothing is going to change there.

I'm hoping to see the level of performances he showed at Salford.

Regardless of people opinions on him he has played some very good rugby in a Wigan shirt IMO he's just not consistent enough.

I'm actually praying Maguire will get that consistency out of him as he's not a bad player!

I'd give Goulding another season as he's only 21. Classic case of a younger player being brought into the first team far too young and inexperienced then paying for it.
This is where the divide is between Wigan fans, those who think kids should be brought in at 17/18 and those who believe they are more able to cope at 19/20.

As for Karl Pryce, I can't understand why folk don't realise that our Karl doesn't do enthusiasm. He's not bright eyed and bushy tailed with endless enthusiasm all day! That's just not him!
Was he does do is score more than one try every two games. According to Bilko's stats KP has played 58 SL games, more than half off the bench and scored 37 tries. That record will stand against any SL wingman/centre in the game. Fitness may well be a problem and the new regime may have a problem to deal with there perhaps. KP is here for next season and again is a young player. This could be his last chance with the new coach.

Goulding and Pryce could be fillers for a year if they are not careful, with George to go and his money to strengthen elsewhere in the squad.

Id let Carmont go and give Goulding a year to prove himself. He was made the scapegoat for Tim Smiths failings in defence at the start of the season. Went to Salford found some form and came back looking very good it was just unlucky he got injured.

IIRC he was made the scapegoat in the 2008 season as well after some shocking "team" performances.

If we let this happen Goulding would finally get his chance in what seems to be our most stable team for some time so nobody can defend him if he doesnt perform if it does not work we have the likes of Charnley and Thornley who can get some experience in the odd few games and obviously if Pryce pulls his finger out he may be in with a chance.

Yet IL reckons Mr Pryce has the potential to be 'World Class'.

We are definitely after Ryan Bailey and James Graham

You would be mad to let Feka go, he does need to get in shape, but he is still devastating going forward.

Ryan Bailey would be a good signing, I'd take him at bradford aswell, adds aggression, gets in the other teams faces and is an old fashioned nasty prop.

James Graham, well, he'd walk into any side in the world but I can't see him leaving Saints.

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I'm glad we're after some new props, especially Graham although I doubt he'd leave Saints. Question I have is who would we release/sell-on?

Fielden?
Feka?
Coley?
O'Carroll?
Prescott?

Say we were to sign Bailey and Graham - 2 out of the 5 names would have to be released. So who would you choose?

For mine it'd be Coley and O'Carroll. Although I know alot of people will choose Fielden and A.N. Other. Only reason I'd keep Fielden is for his workmanship in defence, plus I actually want to see how he fares under Maguire.

I agree with him, and think he can be anything he wants in the game, but it is up to him to knuckle down and earn it, he has all the raw materials.

A Pryce, Ainscough long term Wing Centre partnership could dominate SL for a long long time, but both have to earn it.

The same can be said for all of our youngsters and senior players IMO.

If the Bailey rumour is true then we can probably afford him as the squad stands now.
If the Graham rumour is true then a massive wage earner will have to leave.
Wasn't Graham quoted as saying he'd "come to Wigan for Fielden's wages."
I can believe it about Bailey, Graham still seems a bit far fetched but so did the thought of Fielden signing before he arrived.

I'd just be happy if he knuckled down and became 'Wigan Class'.