I must say i agree with what you say,and the bit about something "going on",seems to be endorsed by what Nobby said in the radio interview he did after the game,"players having their own agenda"or words to that effect.
I have always had a lot of respect for Noble,you don't win what he has unless you know something about the game,but he seemed so dispirited in his interview,my impression was that he was wondering if he has had enough. In past seasons after bad results he has come out very positive about what needed to be done,I didn't get that impression this time.

well afew of the players wernt very complimentry when thy got taken off..iv heard he's losing the dressing room!

Can any one seriously tell me that the team can be any more crap with any other player than Mathers at the back ? he was gutless today , I was willing to give him a chance but that was a performance that keeps him out of the team for a few weeks .
Pryce is not ready but it's pointless even worrying about such trivial matters when we have a game plan that's been left behind some years now .

While i agree to a certain extent our lack of dummy runners and decoys ensure that they can really attack the ball carrier which increases the chance of a handling error.

I heard the Noble interview as well, I thought his "own agenda" comment was interesting. It does seem that way, yet again.

One subsitute equals around3 positional changes soemtimes.. this upsets the team.

Sort it out Nobby.

He's lost it, across the whole club too

I would not say he is loosing the dressing room, its only one game. But it was a very interesting quote from him in his assessment after the game,
"it looked as tho certain players had there own agenda"

Opinion or one of your "facts"

Riddell didn't look too happy at his substitution near the end but I was glad he was taken off.

We're so much better when Tommy is at 9. Should Tommy remain at 9 and Tomkins be brought in as 6/7 to pair with Smith? God knows.

Is he ready? He could be better but every player could and let's be honest the competition in the Wgan team is not red hot.

No, if Nobnle persists in playing the way he has since he came to the club then ainscough offers the most value of any winger becuse the one area he excels is scooting.

well i only wish i could show u the txt iv got from someone who was on the pitch before!!

Never trust a bloke who eats mint sauce with a pie.

Fact

That has to happen next week

So would you have him & Richards on the wings? I havent seen much of Ainscough, but its an interesting view.



To the point it can be recovered or has it gone beyond that. What is the reason for his loss? Team selection, the way he manages?

I recall last season Noble referring to "some not football related issues".

If there are things "going on" either he gets a grip on them as coach or he should admit he's lost the dressing room. He then either gets IL's support for disciplinary action and a major clear-out in due course or he resigns. Poor performances are one thing but the shambles today and the apparent behind the scenes turmoil at the club are unacceptable.

I suspect he would resign because I don't think IL would be interesting in D&G action as it may cost him £££.

I suspect you are right.

Dull, boring training methods. A lack of belief in what Noble tells them as regards tactics. As an example. The very annoying move forward a yard then hold defence is purely down to Noble. Trent suggested changing it in training last year and he got abuse in front of the other players foir doing so. He also offered to work on some moves/game plans with Noble and go told thanks but no thanks. The value of his word/treatment of players.

Just to add IL is not like by the players either.

That was clearly evident after his daft criticism of Trent Barrett. That suggested to me he knew nothing about rugby league.

Trent Barrett was our attack, our kicking game, everything. Any fan that didn't know this before I hope will have learned so after we were clueless in attack today.

Interesting, but why are the other coaching staff not helping in this regard.



Does this go back to the fans forum when he hung them out to dry?

At this stage I would play Ainscough yes.

He is far from perfect. Needs knocking down a peg or two for example.

However, he is very muscular and scooting / hard yards he is better than anybody in the backs that we currently play.

Bar Wane, the other coaches are Nobby's friends and none speak up.

the forum in part but much more. His attitude especially penny pinching.