People calling themselves Black Lives Matter and thinking that black lives matter are two totally different things.

Who came up with the slogan Black Lives Matter and made it mainstream? Thats right, the group Black Lives Matter. The slogan and the group are one and the same, they go hand in hand with each other. Why do you think that many of the sports teams and brands are now having to come out and try to distance themselves from the group?

If a sports team or major brand posted 'Britain First' on their social media page the day after Brexit they would be immediately condemned because of the slogans links to the group Britain First and you know it.

BLM must be laughing their heads off at the amount of major brands that they got to promote them.

Thanks Hatty. None of us have had an email either!

Me neither but I did read it on the clubs website as that’s where I heard it was, got an email asking to Join the lotto as I registered on the clubs website

You are absolutely clueless!!!!

Ignore 20 other points where your wrong, and focus on a point where you know what, your wrong!

I did not throw my Weight behind the BLM UK group, in FACT I defended the club for promoting the LBGTQ movement
As far as I am aware the club haven't made ANY comments about BLM???

You and you alone said " I will not give my money to a club that inserts itself into non RL related social issues"
The only issue Wigan have made any kind of statement about is LBGTQ

So are you
1/not giving money to Wigan because you don't agree with them supporting LBGTQ?
Or
2/ Are you not giving any money to Wigan because of BLM UK - Which just to clarify they haven't yet said or done anything to support

If it's 1 then ok, but it's ridiculous
If it's 2 then ok, whatever, your not giving money to our club because of something they haven't done or said???

Let's get this straight
I'm all in favour of the club supporting the LGBTQ message - if a group of people who are from that world attach themselves to that group or form another group that uses the same message to then promote other issues such as Murder is ok, Drink Driving is ok or anything else that is abhorrent then I will not support that group, But I will support the LGBTQ Message
If the Club on restart wear the BLM message I will support them, If they donate 100k to BLM UK I won't support that, but I will still support the message.

Now I appreciate there is a whole different more nuanced conversation to be had which you seem to be incapable of having- And over on the Sin Bin there are very many different arguments & Debates being had (Which I notice your not part of).

But the original statement was :- "Im sorry but over recent times i have seen the club take a direction i do not like. I will not give my money to a club that inserts itself into non RL related social issues and i know a lot of people that feel the same way and are disgusted. I support Wigan to watch them play rugby league not to have the latest social trends forced down my throat."

So what "Social Trend" have the club shoved down your throat? and was any of that anything to do with the BLM "Message"?
As I originally said, your argument IMO is more about having a pop at IFL etc. for any reason, even when they haven't done what your suggesting.

EMAIL letter was sent to season ticket holders on 15th June ....mine is timed at 18:00 and is exactly the same as the post made on the club site

Only got mine at 18:01, gonna make a complaint about that. Why did you find out before me.

Didn't get mine but got the Bateman notification.

The FA are a classic example of jumping on the bandwagon with clubs ordered to have the BLM slogan on the back of shirts when eight months ago, clubs were told that they had not to put poppies on shirts as it was political.

Sheer hypocrisy on the part of the FA.

ALL LIVES MATTER IRRESPECTIVE OF COLOUR, RACE OR RELIGION.

I am not certain it was the fa who stopped poppys being worn, i thought it was fifa? Now there is a racist organisation

It was FIFA. PL clubs have always worn poppies and some players are able to choose not to as per their right.

International sides are not allowed to wear one.

We’re players able to but wear BLM on their shirts like poppies? Not that wouldn’t want to, weird eh that pep. Got fined by the FA for wearing a yellow ribbon in support of a Catalonian independence as it was political

Black lives matter isn't political though. It has nothing to do with BLMUK.

Correct

Correct

Not correct
Not correct
Yes, coorect, but just as "Save the children" or "Help the aged" doesnt mean that the other one doesnt matter, or wearing a badge in support of the fight against prostate cancer doesnt mean you want other cancers to continue, the message of Black Lives Matter doesnt mean sod everyone else.

BTW

The shirt tribute was proposed by a group of Premier League captains and Professional Footballers’ Association representatives, with moves under way to ensure kit is prepared appropriately. One club told the Guardian their kit staff had been primed to order shirts reflecting that change.

And I'm led to believe the players were also behind it.

And also

This week the Premier League confirmed it would not be bringing in the Rooney Rule, requiring at least one BAME candidate to be interviewed for a coaching vacancy.

The Brighton manager, Graham Potter, says the situation surrounding opportunities for black and other minority coaches must nonetheless be addressed.

“With football, you want it to be meritocratic, you want it to be the best person gets the job, and that’s what we all think it should be,” he said. “But the realities of the historical situation, for whatever reason, [are that hasn’t been able to happen and we have to understand why that is. Why is it a disadvantage to be black in this country? Why are there not enough coaches and managers that are black in football? We have to understand the historical context and educate ourselves around that in order to understand today and the context we face now.”

Good on Graham Potter

its financially linked to the democratic party in the US so it is, im not saying they shouldnt use it was just asking did they get a choice like players do with poppies, not a 'ha ha' statement was a genuine question

No. BLMUK is political. Saying that Black Lives Matter is NOT political nor is it connected to BLMUK.

Have you got links to that evidence?

“We do not now, nor have we ever, endorsed or affiliated with the Democratic Party, or with any party,” the Black Lives Matter network said in a response posted to its Facebook page on Sunday. “The Democratic Party, like the Republican and all political parties, have historically attempted to control or contain black people’s efforts to liberate ourselves. True change requires real struggle, and that struggle will be in the streets and led by the people, not by a political party.”

Once again I am not defending the political movement (BLMUK) just the message.

https://justthenews.com/accountability/ ... sing-group

https://justthenews.com/accountability/ ... sing-group

Once again you are wrong. You know you are wrong and are now trying to twist this to make it an LGBTQ argument. I know your type, ive dealt with marxists for years and they always try to twist the argument when they are proven wrong. You are now trying to work towards accusing me of being anti-LGBTQ but it wont work. I am not your weak brother in law that you browbeat at the dinner table every Sunday. If i was anti-LGBTQ i wold of brought this up many months ago when the club started promoting such, i didnt, i brought it up when the club backed BLM on Facebook.

The clubs social media promoted BLM weeks ago when all the other major brands decided to jump on the bandwagon. The only reason i gave an opinion on the club promoting LGBTQ is because somebody asked me specifically about it. I simply said that i do not think Wigan should get involved in such matters, social issues are not what people go to watch RL for but that was not the intent behind my original post. You clearly threw your weight behind BLM and went straight on the attack like a rabid dog when i denounced the group. Now that major brands are trying to back away from the group, so are you.

Now perhaps Wigan did not intend to show support for the BLM group but rather they wanted to support racial equality or perhaps they did not fully understand what the BLM group really stands for? If that is the case they should come out and explain so but the silence is deafening, in which case i reserve the right to vote with my wallet.

Exactly.

Coicidence that the Biden campaign suddenly had a massive financial boost in June?

I haven't had chance to do too much research on the group that the money goes to but will in time
There is a big difference between money from BLM going to a political party and the money going to a company that takes their 4% (Similar to what Paypal/Gofund me etc. do?) and then that company in turn deciding to use it's profit to support the Democratic party

What I would say is the list of groups supporting the Republican party & it's "White Power" message can s easily be created

Would you like to list the Republican parties list of donators?

You had the opportunity to explain what "Social Trends" you disagreed with, until now you haven't responded??? So until this point the ONLY issue I could tangibly make a link to was LGBTQ and in fact Egg chasing asked you specifically, but you didn't clarify.
As I have no idea what Wigan Warriors have posted on Facebook & Twitter I'll reserve the right to judge their stance when I know what they have and haven't said.

Either way your stance is quite clear, you don't want Wigan backing certain causes?
BLM
LGBTQ movement

Any others?
Because ALL messages/movements have some kind of organising/official group that sound behind them - Just want to know if you agree with other messages whilst not the political/organising group behind them.

As for making out I'm going on the attack like a rabid dog, or being a verbal bully in terms of the downbeaten brother in law jibe, or being a Marxist then I'm afraid you couldn't be further from the truth. Your attempt to paint me in a particular light may work with some, discredit the person, discredit the message, it certainly seems to be what some of the leaders of the "Right" movements have been doing over the last 4/5 years.
But most people will see it for what it is, Gaslighting, deflection technique

Anyway - You've made your point now and in a round about way answered my question
Your not going to give your money to a club that supports ANY "Social Trend" or "Political Movement"?

That's fine as not being a ST holder (Which doesn't matter but you have been asked and not answered so I can only assume your not) the club doesn't have any of your money - But if you were they would give it you back.
and/or your a walk up supporter so you won't need to put any money in
or
You don't go anyway so again that won't matter

And above in all instances your welcome to make your own decision.

I agree I was wrong on one thing
I thought you weren't putting your money in because of IFL/Rads etc.
Now I agree it's because of that and the fact their club back those political movements such as BLM/LBGTQ or any other days that "Could" be construed in that way such as NHS & Armed forces day

You keep saving for that Holiday to Florida? I would warn you against it but I know it's a Hoax & Fake News