The ref trying his hardest to give you the points

Mental game. How you managed to not win with a 20-9 penalty count in your favour and Widnes down to 11 men at one point I will never understand.

If the fixtures go as you imagine they will we'll end up playing Catalan for fourth spot in the last game.

A draw would have sealed a semi-final. The stupidity is just mind-blowing.

What a load of garbage that was, through away 6 points tonight 3 kick able penalties .

You missed Matty Smith

You'll be much better when sam tomkins and liam farrell are back from their injuries

It was an odd game, I'm sure a few "neutrals" would have enjoyed the result.

Widnes came with a game plan and stuck to it. Feel free to call Bentham what you will but he had little choice tonight, Widnes deserved to be on the end of that penalty count. A significant number were given for the same thing, the second effort preventing a player from getting up by knocking them down again. Betts in his interview talked about Widnes throwing it away rather than complaining about the ref.

I've no problem with not going for goal with those penalties at the end, if the players at the time thought they could score. It didn't work out however we were totally dominant in the second half and I understand their decision. Taking the 2 points and a draw would have been a much easier option. I thought we should have gone for the 2 with about 20 to go.

I have to applaud Widnes' defence particularly the last ditch stuff. Thompson fully deserved the MOM with a few outstanding efforts.

Overall our first half was poor, second as I said earlier was totally dominant which showed with the number of penalties Widnes felt they had to concede and Brown at the panel with Wells was right when he said they wanted it more.

The thing that really annoys me about this Wigan team is it is far to easy to put us off our game. Time and time again we lack composure. Other teams know this and always come with a game plan to do it. I don't blame them for that and would do the same if I were them. Whether this comes from Wane or not I don't know but we have to find a way to not get rattled and frustrated, be more composed and play the way I know we are capable of. Without taking anything away from Widnes' effort which was very good If we had done that tonight I believe we would have won comfortably.

We had approx ten kickable penalty chances in that second half and all were turned down. The signal from the sidelines was to run with the ball........criminal.

once widnes saw we didn't want a draw they had nothing to lose offside, niggling, holding down all were on the agenda we had no chance of scoring.

It will be interesting if Catalans beat Warrington. They then play Wakefield, Cas and then us.

We have Hull & Wire away then Catalans at home.

Unlikely but not impossible on current form, should have gone for the two Shaun.

Don't worry!

"The players are hurting"

"We'll learn our lesson from this and come back stronger"

"Our middles weren't right and we'll fix that"

"The lads are in for a tough week in training"

Everything will be just fine

That sounds strangely familiar

From an outsiders perspective, I don't understand why Tomkins escapes flak for these performances. He is the highest paid player in the league (reportedly by some distance), yet seemingly can't break down a defence. He doesn't look like breaking the line unless the defence completely switch off, and his passing game is very overrated, he knows when to release the ball but can't pull out a long cut out pass or spot when a flat short ball would put someone through a gap.

Also if Williams wants to become your main half, he has to improve his play outside the opposition 20.

The absolute worst performance of what has been overall a shocking season. I said before the CC semi I thought the dodgy performances would catch up with us and we'd end up with a very disappointing last couple of months. Unfortunately that seems to be exactly how it's panning out.

It has never been a case of five Tomkins the ball and he'll do something. Tomkins' ability was based on the timing and angles of his run. To do that others have to create the space. I watched bits of the game back this morning. When we shift the ball, firstly it is slow out of dummy half, then there are feeble efforts at dummy runs which don't attract any attention of the defence as it is obvious they are not getting the ball. Once the ball arrives to Tomkins all he can do is shift it on. He still has the ability the team need to play to his strengths.

Williams still has a lot to learn, I wonder if he will be another on the long list of English halves who end up at hooker.

Flogg them in training is the way to go . Run them ragged until they are FIT . Fit to drop .

Ball skills , passing skills , game plans and tactics ???? .........or is that too radical Mr Wane


Regards , EW

Not to go for the two points at the end was criminal
It would have at least salvaged something from what was one of the most inept Wigan performances of recent times.
It also demonstrated an immense lack of respect for the opposition.
How could the coach not understand that if we couldn't score against 11 men with the flat, slow inept tactics that were being applied all game, then there was little, nay, no, chance of doing so with panic rugby at the end.
"Delusional" sums it up for me.

The two points at the end did nothing more than guarantee a top 4 finish in a draw. Going for the win would have given a top 2 finish a chance, so I don't think it was a waste to go for the win.

I thought Smith was missed last night, he does a lot of organising during a game.

I was quite surprised at 13 v 11 there was no attempt to shift it and get gelling the ball early in order to try leg it against his oppo.

13 v 11 was only for 2 mins. We got over the line in that time. A fantastic effort from the Widnes defender knocked the ball out of Sutton's arm.

But 13 v 12 for 18 minutes. Countless penalties. Many Widnes dropped balls. What more did the inept attack need?

Given the points difference and games left, the one point from a draw would have been as useful as a win last night, especially in terms of winning the hub cap. Now we are esentially 3 points behind Hull because of their vastly superior points difference.

Wouldn't argue but I was replying to a post about 13 v 11

A draw would have made a massive difference to Wigan's ambitions to finish top. A draw followed by wins in the last three games would have guaranteed top spot. Now they have to hope results go their way.

Ridiculous decision not to secure a play off spot. Let's see how Catalans go on against Wire.