56/57 mins until Bullock came on.

Instead of bringing him on we stuck with Liam Byrne and his multiple knock ons.

and he did about 5 mins

Recruitment of props-dreadful

Lams use of props-dreadful

Both true and this is we’re KR has to come in for criticism here. Most other SL clubs have that one/two metre making intimidating prop and consistently sign them too where as we seem to get them once every blue moon. Out last prop in that calibre was Ben Flower circa 2013. You look at the actual cost of these props and they’re minimal and cheap. We don’t need to go throwing big bucks at props (ala Burgess). I don’t see what the issue is in signing what we so desperately need?

It was clear Byrne was having a nightmare game after 10 minutes. Generally this season Lam has made some good decisions but if someone is having a shocker - even if it goes against the game plan - you have to take them off for the good of the team.

Can't understand why Bullock is only getting 5 minutes but it's probably worth remembering that when he's played longer minutes this year he's generally been very disappointing. He's only really made an impact when playing 5-10 minutes late in games. Not good enough.

Byrne has been okay so far this year but we know he's got those errors and poor decisions in him. He's not good enough to be a key prop forward for a top Super League side. That's not knocking him. It's a role that you expect experienced props to hold, not props in their early 20's that still have a lot to work on. When you consider Partington and Havard are two of our other key middles it's just blatantly obvious that we rely too much on the younger players who generally put in decent performances and we're getting very little from Singleton, Bullock and Clubb.

Meanwhile I can only assume Ben Kilner has run over Lam's cat and Mitch Clark danced on it's grave because to not give them a chance to break into a poor front row is puzzling.

I understand Clarke because he’s dreadful. It doesn’t Kilner playing kinda do your own point about young props? I do agree though that our over reliance on young props isn’t healthy and, sadly, about Byrne. Our props are just solid, the type you do need in a team but the problem is they go alongside the big metre eaters and compliment that type and vice versa

but was our best prop in the pre season friendly

He’s still dreadful

Most explosive prop in SL

Quite possibly, but so was Clubb.

At least Clarke has put in one decent performance, albeit it was a friendly.

Neither are the answer imo, but it is what it is. We really are at the stage that a steady, experienced kinda prop would probably be our best player.

I'm watching the Cas game and both Millington and Mossop would improve us. Neither are that great, but both are better than anything we have. That's how bad of a position we are in.

Unless we sign someone there's not much we can do about relying on the young props though, so adding another into the mix is one of our very limited number of options. I'm not saying Kilner is answer - he's only played one senior game and there must be a reason why the coaching staff aren't picking him but it's puzzling that we'd be happy with 5 minutes of Bullock and using so many smaller back rowers down the middle rather than giving him a game off the bench.

I think Clark is the one who possibly deserves another chance. He was really poor last year but he's not the only player to have a poor first season. He's been kept at the club and only a few weeks ago Lam said we'd cancelled his move to Toulouse because he's needed. He played in pre-season and was actually our best prop on that day. I don't see why we haven't just put him on the bench for a game and challenged him to show what he's got.

I know there's an argument that you don't change a winning team but there are more than enough examples in every sport of teams repeatedly changing a few personnel around every game and still winning. We've looked laboured in several games already this year - our props have rarely excelled and surely it's a case of constantly seeking to improve and putting pressure on players to perform rather than unnecessary tinkering.

Quite ironic it was the type of game where Clubb would have been useful.

Whilst he may offer very little what he does bring is the ability to get in the opposition and disrupt them.

At the moment he’s the only prop we have that doesn’t get bullied for the 10 minutes he is in the pitch.

We needed someone to disrupt the Hull lads today, relying on young lads to do that simply isn’t going to happen.

We need a Scott Logan type signing. A grafter with size and a bit of dog in him.

After a great start to his Wigan career Singleton has been poor so far in 21.

says a lot about our current props then

Do you think we could sign a rag tag bunch of props from SL and they'd improve us?

I genuinely think that we've got one of the worst middles in the league.

Singleton has been a shadow of his 2020 self so far this season not sure what’s going on with him

Singleton's former self was his current self IMO - average-to-okay at best. He was 4th/5th choice prop at Leeds and now he's our number 1 prop? It's very confusing.

I think if you swap out props for most other teams props we do the double.

Watching the Cas v Salford semi and I’d take all 4 Cas props at Wigan.

That’s just not true though is it?

He was a regular in a team that was winning trophies.

He had a fall out with David Furner and was basically told he had no future at Leeds because of it.

He’s a quality player but he really is struggling this year no doubt.

I agree and it's equally frustrating and an opportunity.

I've said a few times that we won't find a group like Saints have, but we don't need that. A couple of journeymen would massively improve us.

Surely there's room in the cap to bring in a couple of those player's?

Mossop

For me the problem isn’t Havard/Partington/Shorrocks/Bryne. They are the cream of the prop in terms of 20/21 year old props/middles.


The problem in our squad is our experienced props

Bullock 28 years old people rave about him because he makes the odd good carry. Can’t defend, can’t play poor than 15 mins, crap.

Singleton 28 year old, great last year but awful this year. A Leeds reject shouldn’t be our first choice.

Clubb 33 year old, I don’t need to spell it out.

Mitch Clark 28 year old, signed on good money can’t even get a game.

If these were performing we’d be fine. Bag these not the young lads.

Completely agree.

It’s not the young lads fault they are all bring blooded at the same time.

If we keep them together they will be a great set in 3/4 years time.

Our older heads at the moment are damaging the squad when it should be us relying on them and rotating the youngsters not the other way round.

There has been some serious mismanagement and planning when looking at Props.

Add to the fact it was common knowledge Burgess was broken when we signed him it’s been a really poor performance by the club.

100% correct

I’m unfair to mention Havard being away from his best. Why shouldn’t a kid be allowed to suffer a bit of second season syndrome? They’re all being over exposed and it’ll hurt them long term.

I’ve said many times that I won’t bag the club if we don’t sign anybody else given the current climate and I won’t but don’t sign at least one prop this season and it’s game over in terms of winning anything.

If we get an Indian Summer in October we stand a chance.

Possibly but I watch Saints and my lord they’re boring to watch but their line speed is brilliant in defence and they’ll stick with us fitness wise, so when you put Walmsley and Paasi up against our junior front row, we’ve hardly got a prayer.