2 games in and not a lot has changed. It’s becoming more and more apparent to me that Lam talks a belting game, almost like we’re world beaters then when it comes to it we’re so far off the boil we’re ice.

I personally don’t feel Lam is the coach for us and the sooner IL realises it the better.

To be fair, as an opposition supporter I still worry when O’Loughlin is on the field. Even tonight he was the one who looked most likely to make something happen, even though it didn’t come off.
Obviously you see him every week, but I wish he would retire....

Again, I’m not watching Wigan every week but if Bevan French is a better full-back than Zak Hardaker, Lam must be seeing something I am not. Yes, French is a great player, but he would offer as much from the wing as he does from full-back, whereas Zak’s defensive ability is completely lost at centre.

I will be surprised if he gets to Easter
I honestly don’t know what we do in training. Slow in everything we do, no attacking ideas and no tempo to our play.
Crabbed a win v Wire and outplayed by a Cas team without 7 or 8 first teasers

I always feel like we get no tempo and no momentum because we have no go forward in us. I shudder to think how easily a full strength Saints or Hull pack would run over the packs Lam is turning out.

Either he changes his approach or the end of the road will come at some point because his forward selections as they stand will not win enough games.

Hardaker isn’t the player you watched at Cas in 2017 though, he’s lost a yard or more of pace and offered very little threat from fullback last year. I don’t think just being a sound option in defence is enough in the modern day.

Fair point. He certainly doesn’t look as sharp as he did in 2017 and has put on quite a bit of ‘bulk’. He was always pretty scrawny, but seems to put on a lot of muscle since joining Wigan.
To be honest, he looks like a very average centre.

Might just be wound up after that performance but I really don’t get this idea of playing so many young forwards all in one go. It didn’t work last week and tonight we had no punch again what so ever.

Who would want to be in a creative player in a team that can never make any yards to earn the right to play with the ball...so frustrating to watch...surely the club can see this issue?

I said this after last week but was met with resistance. We were poor last week and should of put a 12/11 man Wire to the sword but instead we scraped past them with a typical error strewn Lam performance. Jackson Hastings is looking as lost as George Williams did already. The off the ball player movement is awful under Lam, its so easy to defend against.

A full strength Saints or Hull would put 50 on us.
A workmanlike Cas totally outplayed us for enthusiasm
He won’t change because he can’t .
I can only assume that Clubb has some tasty photos of IL

Agent Millward wouldn't have picked Clubb.

Lenegan doesn't sack coaches. At best he will be looking best to replace for next season. This is bearing in mind it all goes tits up this year. Its early days and it's still time for Lam to get things right.

Thats because he is a very average centre, Hardaker is best at fullback, where he was pretty darn good by seasons end last time out

Yes I understand your point re IL sacking but he’s backed a pup in Lam and I can only see things getting worse when we get the inevitable injuries .
Lose next week and owd IL will have twitchy bum time

Matty do you honestly believe that Lam knows what is wrong let alone fix it?

..... a few pages later and it starts getting taken as fact that he's dropped over training punctuality, when for all we know it could just as easily be a sarcastic joke about him always being early, or this rumour, or turning up late for nights out, or late tackles!

The players need to think about who they're letting view their social media. I can't readily think of any positives that have come from our players having random fans on their social media accounts, but we've already had this and the Hastings thing blowing up on the negative side.

Not like wiganers to over react

Our pack was basically the same as last season, but with an extra young player in there (Havard). It was a weak looking pack last year. It's not like it's any better now. We've got some of the best young forwards around but there's a reason why clubs don't tend to fill their pack with youngsters. Most forwards tend to reach their peak between 25-30 and up until then can be quite inconsistent. Our youngsters put plenty of effort in but I think we need a bit more experience and a bit more power. Clubb doesn't really count as adding experience because he makes about 2 carries per game on a good day. I don't understand why Flower, Bullock and Clark aren't already in the team (Flower seems to be both injured and back from injury simultaneously). I'm expecting Lam to bring Poppin Fresh back in for the Toronto game and keep Clubb in the side because he's a great bloke.

I have my own thoughts and doubts about Lam (as I did last year), I don't want to prematurely scape goat if I can help it. So far this season I believe we haven't improved on our faults from last season, this being:

Our forwards cannot make yards. An issue inherited from Shaun Wane (let your backs get you out of your own twenty.. etc). Remember Hamlin getting a rollicking cause he broke a tackle and made 30 metres instead of hitting the floor?

Clueless in attack in opposition twenty, sling left and right put aimless kick to corner. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

Discipline. Nuff said.

Still waiting for Lam's champagne rugby, unfortunately for him the clock is ticking on his twelve month contract. Carry on as we are (and was last year) and he won't necessarily be sacked but at the same time he won't be extended.

IL has invested big this season, time to show improvement.

Our forwards couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Too many young lads being asked to cover for Ten Minute Tony. Lam is going to ruin Partington if he keeps making him play as a starting prop. The lad has all the heart and bravery in the world but he simply isn't big enough to play up the middle. He needs to play wider.

If he isn't going to play Bullock or Greenwood then get rid and get some first team replacements because starting Ten Minute Tony and Isa is not the way to challenge for honours.

I have a feeling it's going to be a loooooonnnnnnngggggggg season if Lam is still in charge by the end of it.

Two games in, and Hull KR look a (considerably) better side than us.

I watched Bullock v Skolars, Leigh & Widnes and he is by far the best prop in the club.
He is big fast and powerful but not in the team.

I was at the game tonight and you can take it as read that the story about Bullock is true it came from a club insider that knows a lot of people at the club,if this was in the real world he would be up on a disciplinary,he needs to shape up or ship out

Very poor performance, no clue in attack just 1 up drives all game with very little ball movement. Lam looks seriously out of his depth with this team and the sooner he leaves the better. Only positive was Smith who looked a very natural halfback with a good kicking game

How does that solve the problem that the pack was not good enough tonight?

If they are fit then if Greenwood and Clarke aren’t picked next week, Lam is on crack. I’m assuming Burgess isn’t fit.

As to the backs, it seems Lam wants to accommodate French at full back. Can’t say I’m convinced of that either. He was given the 6 shirt so go and play there. Centres Hankinson & Bibby, FB Zak.

Bullock would have helped, Clark should have played ahead of Havard though. Greenwood is worth a go next week but he’s very soft and seems to pick an injury up every game, needs to be more physical in contact