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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"The birth of a child is often a very difficult time for people with addictions and mental health difficulties. Looking after a newborn baby is stressful, tiring and can leave many people feeling anxious. Often, it can be a catalyst for further difficulties.
I hope that’s not the case, but we should not assume that a child will automatically help Zak to overcome his difficulties, because that probably won’t happen.'"
I said hopefully.
I’m slightly concerned by your borderline obsession with him.
I’m not going to lie I’m not his biggest fan and I didn’t want him at the club, still don’t really but he is here and doing a job for us.
I find it odd that you jump on every post with what seems to me to be very insincere posts, making out you have empathy towards him which are however littered with negativity and backhanded comments.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"It was pretty unprovoked from Zak though. Foster was simply praising an ex-team-mate and was met with Zak ripping into him for being a hair-dresser. I think he had every right to get a bit shirty.
Of course, Zak is also still a current SL player and therefore has an obligation to Wigan (who gave him an opportunity to return to the game) not to bring the club into disrepute with abusive and expletive-ridden posts on social media. Foster has no obligation to anyone and can say as he pleases in whatever way he wants.
Zak is currently busy deleting his Tweets, but it’s probably too late. And whilst he’s deleting some, he is continuing to reply to Foster’s tweets this morning trying to make everything look like friendly banter.'"
The second paragraph says more about Foster than hardaker. Whether hes had a word in his ear or just woke up, at least he is trying a bit of damage control. And if you're going to complain it was unprovoked by Zak last night then it was unprovoked by Foster this morning to carry it on
Also, Zak didn't rip in to him for being a hairdresser, his first comment was "stick to cutting hair". More of a "stick to what your doing" than a "hah your gay for being a hairdresser". Bit reaching there mate. then foster brought up drugs. Both as bad as each other
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| Quote ="Suzy Banyon"I think this says a lot more about your prejudices than Hardaker's regarding hairdressers and their perceived (by you) sexualities
You're obviously still very bitter about how Hardaker treated your club, to the point where you're implying he's homophobically abusing a barber and that he's an alcoholic. Unreal. Go and evict the tenant that's living rent free in your head, it'll do you and us a big favour.'"
I don’t think so. Many occupations have a stereotypical link.
I’m not implying he’s an alcoholic - Hardaker has said that himself.
I also not implying he abused Jamie Foster based on his occupation. That’s just what happened. What I am implying is that, given Hardaker’s precious homophobic behaviour, it’s possible that this was his motivation. After all, you don’t see him abusing other ex-players on the basis of their career, do you?
You’re also wrong on the bitterness front. If I was bitter, I’d be calling for him to be sacked, not helped. When Zak was banned, he was suffering from significant mental health issues and also dealing with an extremely difficult personal problem that it isn’t fair to discuss on here.
Am I glad he isn’t at Cas anymore? Yes, because (as shown) he is always one day away from another screw up. Do I want him to fail and end up in the gutter? Absolutely not.
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| Quote ="Angelus"The second paragraph says more about Foster than hardaker. Whether hes had a word in his ear or just woke up, at least he is trying a bit of damage control. And if you're going to complain it was unprovoked by Zak last night then it was unprovoked by Foster this morning to carry it on
Also, Zak didn't rip in to him for being a hairdresser, his first comment was "stick to cutting hair". More of a "stick to what your doing" than a "hah your gay for being a hairdresser". Bit reaching there mate. then foster brought up drugs. Both as bad as each other'"
Yes, but Foster can say what he wants, when he wants and how he wants. He’s accountable to nobody. Hardaker, on the other hand, is a representative of Wigan Warriors and will be contracted not to bring the club into disrepute through his behaviour, including on social media. His expletive-ridden and abusive comments towards an ex-player (or anyone for that matter) most certainly do bring the club into disrepute.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"He is happy to put photos of what he is drinking in social media (last night it was pints of Peroni followed by bottles of red wine).'"
What on earth?! That is ridiculous a week out from resuming the season.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"He is happy to put photos of what he is drinking in social media (last night it was pints of Peroni followed by bottles of red wine).'"
From what I saw on instagram, there was a glass of red wine next to his sunday roast, a pint of peronni on a table during the rugby, and then a glass next to a bottle later on. Who's to say the bottle wasn't being scared with someone? Hardly Sue Ellen Ewing is he?
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| Quote ="jonh"I’m slightly concerned by your borderline obsession with him.'"
Reckon he sits at home refreshing Zaks social media waiting for something to jump on.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Reckon he sits at home refreshing Zaks social media waiting for something to jump on.'"
I follow most things RL on social media.
Not my fault Hardaker is the one who draws attention to himself.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Yes, but Foster can say what he wants, when he wants and how he wants. He’s accountable to nobody. Hardaker, on the other hand, is a representative of Wigan Warriors and will be contracted not to bring the club into disrepute through his behaviour, including on social media. His expletive-ridden and abusive comments towards an ex-player (or anyone for that matter) most certainly do bring the club into disrepute.'"
He was banned for one homophobic comment, and before and after that has done more for teh LGBT community that most, if thats what you mean for previous homophobic comments. You're trying very hard to make it something it isnt.
And yes, his comments may well bring the club into disrepute, which is why hes removing them and trying to play it down.
Also, Foster can't say what he wants, when he wants, how he wants, because its against the rules of the platform hes using. Dont know why your trying so hard to give him a free pass. Two to tango and all that.
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| Quote ="Angelus" Also, Foster can't say what he wants, when he wants, how he wants, because its against the rules of the platform hes using. Dont know why your trying so hard to give him a free pass. Two to tango and all that.'"
I didn’t see a much from Foster that breaks Twitter rules.
I saw a lot from Hardaker that probably broke the rules in his contract about not bringing the club into disrepute.
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| Quote ="Pemps"From what I saw on instagram, there was a glass of red wine next to his sunday roast, a pint of peronni on a table during the rugby, and then a glass next to a bottle later on. Who's to say the bottle wasn't being scared with someone? Hardly Sue Ellen Ewing is he?'"
So even assuming he only takes pictures of the drinks he drinks (maybe to keep count in case he forgets the next day) why is he having three alcoholic drinks on a Sunday before the season restarts?
How many has he been having further out?!
His Twitter comments, by the way, strike me as those of a man who had more than one glass of wine and a pint with lunch / watching the rugby but clearly I have no idea what he drank.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I didn’t see a much from Foster that breaks Twitter rules.
I saw a lot from Hardaker that probably broke the rules in his contract about not bringing the club into disrepute.'"
Abuse/harrassment is against twitters TOS. Carrying it on could constitute as harrassment "i'll let you get back to the drugs session" could constitute as abuse. Plus all his replies of "ask your missus" or "ask your mum" to people. I know I'm reaching here but so are you so I think i'm allowed
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"So even assuming he only takes pictures of the drinks he drinks (maybe to keep count in case he forgets the next day) why is he having three alcoholic drinks on a Sunday before the season restarts?
How many has he been having further out?!
His Twitter comments, by the way, strike me as those of a man who had more than one glass of wine and a pint with lunch / watching the rugby but clearly I have no idea what he drank.'"
Not to mention the fact he was due at training this morning.
As I say, someone needs to recognise the warning signs and act quickly.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Not to mention the fact he was due at training this morning.
As I say, someone needs to recognise the warning signs and act quickly.'"
Never had a beer on a work night then? Then again, are you old enough to drink yet?
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| Quote ="Angelus"Abuse/harrassment is against twitters TOS. Carrying it on could constitute as harrassment "i'll let you get back to the drugs session" could constitute as abuse. Plus all his replies of "ask your missus" or "ask your mum" to people. I know I'm reaching here but so are you so I think i'm allowed'"
I’ll be honest, I only saw his replies to Hardaker and not others as I don’t follow Foster on Twitter. I didn’t notice the reference to drug taking (I can’t work out this ‘quote reply’ business!), but I agree that if that was said, it’s unacceptable.
The thing is though, the worst thing that can happen to Foster is that his Twitter account is closed down. Hardaker has far more to lose, and what he did could put his employment at risk.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Never had a beer on a work night then? Then again, are you old enough to drink yet?'"
Beer on a work night? Yes, but then again my job doesn’t rely on being at the peak of physical fitness the following morning.
Beer and red wine into the early hours on a work night, with a side-order of abusing someone else on Twitter using foul language? Nope. And if it happened, my employer would sack me and I hope my family and friends would front up and suggest I have a problem.
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| must admit, as a neutral party in this, i've noticed him on the a a lot lately, including a party last week, which surprised me considering it was the restart/mini pre season.
Also, (and this is something i've picked up with harvey livett at our place and players in general) Zak had a massive leg tattoo done last week, not sure how you can train to your best having had something like that done and you're supposed to let it heal.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"must admit, as a neutral party in this, i've noticed him on the mickey a a lot lately, including a party last week, which surprised me considering it was the restart/mini pre season.
Also, (and this is something i've picked up with harvey livett at our place and players in general) Zak had a massive leg tattoo done last week, not sure how you can train to your best having had something like that done and you're supposed to let it heal.'"
Loads of players have tattoos, I don't really think that is an issue is it.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Beer on a work night? Yes, but then again my job doesn’t rely on being at the peak of physical fitness the following morning.
Beer and red wine into the early hours on a work night, with a side-order of abusing someone else on Twitter using foul language? Nope. And if it happened, my employer would sack me and I hope my family and friends would front up and suggest I have a problem.'"
So you want Wigan to sack him?
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"So you want Wigan to sack him?'"
You’re putting words into my mouth there. I said I would be sacked from my job if I had done the same thing. My job is not as a professional RL player.
In terms of Zak, I want Wigan to recognise the massive warning signs and help him.
I guess he’s on a pretty tight contract in terms of conduct given the circumstances he was signed in, and then with the drink driving and all I don’t think Wigan will give him many more chances. It won’t help Zak to be sacked, but there is only so much the club can do if he doesn’t accept help.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger" I want Wigan to recognise the massive warning signs and help him. '"
Well they're the only club that has done so so far based on what IFL said when we signed him so I think we'll be just fine.
Thanks for your concern though.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Well they're the only club that has done so so far based on what IFL said when we signed him so I think we'll be just fine.
Thanks for your concern though.'"
As I said before, a number of things were done to help him at Leeds.
In his short time at Cas he was supported and all seemed okay until he was hit with a massive personal issue.
Ultimately, you can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped.
If he screws up again, I certainly won’t be on here blaming the Wigan. Like his previous clubs, they can only help if Zak allows them to.
PS - I’m not sure you should believe every word IL says as the gospel truth.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Loads of players have tattoos, I don't really think that is an issue is it.'"
Maybe its not, maybe they get better advice than what i have, but having a whole thigh piece done, which you're not supposed to keep clean and not knock or damage and then doing contact or fitness training? seems in contravention of tattoo healing advice.
Having tattoos isn't my point.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Maybe its not, maybe they get better advice than what i have, but having a whole thigh piece done, which you're not supposed to keep clean and not knock or damage and then doing contact or fitness training? seems in contravention of tattoo healing advice.'"
There must be something as they all seem to get them during the season. Unless they wear skins during training when they have had them done until they heal perhaps.
Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Having tattoos isn't my point.'"
Apologies. He has been criticised for pretty much all sorts today so I thought that was something else being thrown at him.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I follow most things RL on social media.
Not my fault Hardaker is the one who draws attention to himself.'"
But it is your fault that yours is drawn to him more than anyone else.
To be honest, mate. I reckon you're a total crank.
I've never seen anyone online who's as obsessed with one player as you are. You're either bitter beyond belief that his untimely departure from your club exposed you as a one-man team. Or you have some other more personal interest in the matter.
Either way, put at sock in it with the continued pretence that you're concerned about him while at the same time spreading any negative gossip you can find.
Ever heard the phrase, 'Don't p**s down my back and tell me it's raining.' That saying could have been written for you.
Quit being such a bloody creep and get on with watching Cas.
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