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| Quote ="MattyB"She was amazing, best player on the pitch. The heart of a lion. Even more impressive as she was playing on a team of four players against a team of five and she scored about four tries.'"
She has the best side step I've seen for a long long time.
Great to watch her play with such enthusiasm.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Well I wasn't expecting that!
I'm not usually over confident before any game but I was expecting a win albeit it might be far tighter than the bookies were suggesting.
As a previous poster said from minute one we didnt look at the races.
Leeds were obviously fired up with a good game plan to boot which they executed with some aplomb.
As a team we played poorly and if I'm honest if Leeds, with a little bit more patience, could and probably should have put 50+ on us.
Leeds bagged Field and we had little else to offer in attack.
As a few have said a bit pointless picking out individuals to "blame" for he result as no one stood out and most players played well below par and basically were not up for the fight that a good Leeds performance demanded.
A few players, particularly Field, look in need of a rest that will be difficult to deliver with every remaining game being crucial if we are to get the 2nd spot.
What the match did fully expose is our lack of good quality centres and for me once again demonstrates "shuffing in" a second rower is clearly not enough against any decent team. We need 2 centres before 2023 and anyone thinking that we can get away with just 1 is living with the fairies. If Halsall is available but doesn't getg selected against HKR then I can only assume he is probably on the way out which would mean as a squad, for me, we would need 3 new centres for the squad.
Not the end of the world but a good kick up arris that perhaps a few players and coaches may have needed.
Leeds look to be turning the corner which was was painful for me last night but is a major plus for the game. The Leeds fans generated a really good atmosphere last .'"
The centre position needs urgent attention. I look at Huddersfield and for 2023 it’s likely they’ll have 3 or 4 senior centres in their squad from a list of Cudjoe, Leutele, Wardle, King, Naiqama and Bibby. As things stand for 2023 we have Thornley and that’s it (plus Halsall but I’m referring to senior options). We need at least one centre for next season and ideally two (certainly if Halsall continues to be overlooked). I must admit last night put a pin in my preference of going for Thompson at the expense of other signings. We have to fix up the issues at centre first before looking at anything else.
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| You'd think that after last night if Halsall doesn't get a run at centre soon there's not much hope for him, only other explanation is the staff have decided stopping at Newcastle rather than dipping in and out of the first team is better for his development
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| Quote ="apollosghost"You'd think that after last night if Halsall doesn't get a run at centre soon there's not much hope for him, only other explanation is the staff have decided stopping at Newcastle rather than dipping in and out of the first team is better for his development'"
He shouldn’t be dipping in and out of the team. If he is not considered a better centre than Isa and Bibby then the club need to show him the door. Personally, I think he should be in our 17.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The centre position needs urgent attention. I look at Huddersfield and for 2023 it’s likely they’ll have 3 or 4 senior centres in their squad from a list of Cudjoe, Leutele, Wardle, King, Naiqama and Bibby. As things stand for 2023 we have Thornley and that’s it (plus Halsall but I’m referring to senior options). We need at least one centre for next season and ideally two (certainly if Halsall continues to be overlooked). I must admit last night put a pin in my preference of going for Thompson at the expense of other signings. We have to fix up the issues at centre first before looking at anything else.'"
I do wonder if they'll go after Bibby if they can keep hold of Leutele to be honest I don't think they will
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| Quote ="hengirl"I do wonder if they'll go after Bibby if they can keep hold of Leutele to be honest I don't think they will'"
Bobby has already signed for them.
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| Quote ="jonh"Agree with this.
Isa has been a great servant to Wigan however he is unable to consistently perform to a good standard, age and the brutality with which he has played over the years is catching up with him.
I personally have been a big advocate of him getting games over Halsall however I now think it’s time to give youth a chance.
I have absolutely no inside information on this it’s just a total hunch but given Huddersfield have just signed Naiqama I wouldn’t be surprised to see us making a move to potentially pair up Leutele and Wardle at Wigan which may see Isa retire/move on despite having another year on his contract.'"
Isa seems to have a bad game every week, like Clubb did, like Burgess (both) but for some reason they are un-droppable. Sean O'Loughlin towards the end had quite a few bad games, Handling errors and high tackles and it was clear he was slowing down but with Lockers, you knew damn well he wouldn't have a bad game the week after and he had more than earn't the right to have the odd bad game. Powell to me is different though. He infuriates me to watch but it might not be entirely his fault. There was a season under Lam (can't remember which) and he decided to throw his usual game out of the window. He was scooting, he was charging at the line and he was throwing long passes and he was brilliant. That's what infuriates me, he has it in his locker so why doesn't he play like that all the time? He get's it from dummy half and throws a 5 yard pass and that's him done in terms of attacking. It can't be the coach (can it?) surely because O'Neill was the polar opposite when he got a run and was exciting to watch, now Partington has took his place in the side who can't make a yard. Saints have had the best 2 hookers in Super League since it's inception and both of them play the way they want. Cunningham and Roby both brilliant in their own way. Roby for me is much better than Cunningham was, not to say Cunningham wasn't good because he was outstanding in his own right but Roby, even now strikes fear into the opposition defence and will tackle you for 80 mins. Just let the shackles off Powell and make him play like a hooker should play, there needs to be some invention in the opposition 20. Other sides must know as soon as he gets the ball a flat pass is going either to the left or the right and Farrell or Bateman will be running onto it. Mix it up a bit.
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| Quote ="fleabag"Far, far too many errors. Very poor tonight.
And that try between the legs, how on earth was that allowed ?
Your penalised for obstruction, but THAT was allowed ? Even Leeds fans are querying that decision .'"
Anybody with any Knowledge of RL will be querying that decision, its unbelievable that 2 SL officials thought that was a try, even as a fan who's team benefited from it, its disturbing to see, between officiating and the Disciplinary, they're ruining our game.
The 'late' hit on Oledzki was another, absolutely bonkers decision, the Wigan player barley grazed him with his hand.
Games fu*ked if something dosnt change quickly
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Anybody with any Knowledge of RL will be querying that decision, its unbelievable that 2 SL officials thought that was a try, even as a fan who's team benefited from it, its disturbing to see, between officiating and the Disciplinary, they're ruining our game.
The 'late' hit on Oledzki was another, absolutely bonkers decision, the Wigan player barley grazed him with his hand.
Games fu*ked if something dosnt change quickly'"
Yellow cards for pushing each other in the game last night as well.
In terms of officiating the season can’t end soon enough. It’s been the worst I’ve ever seen and they need a sit down with people around the game and a reset in time for 2023.
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Anybody with any Knowledge of RL will be querying that decision, its unbelievable that 2 SL officials thought that was a try, even as a fan who's team benefited from it, its disturbing to see, between officiating and the Disciplinary, they're ruining our game.
The 'late' hit on Oledzki was another, absolutely bonkers decision, the Wigan player barley grazed him with his hand.
Games fu*ked if something dosnt change quickly'"
Add to that the "tip" tackle by French!!
It'll be interesting to see the referees appointments for next weekend?
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The centre position needs urgent attention. I look at Huddersfield and for 2023 it’s likely they’ll have 3 or 4 senior centres in their squad from a list of Cudjoe, Leutele, Wardle, King, Naiqama and Bibby. As things stand for 2023 we have Thornley and that’s it (plus Halsall but I’m referring to senior options). We need at least one centre for next season and ideally two (certainly if Halsall continues to be overlooked). I must admit last night put a pin in my preference of going for Thompson at the expense of other signings. We have to fix up the issues at centre first before looking at anything else.'"
I've heard the growing rumour about Thompson too and like yourself for me the lack of any quality centres (Halsall hopefully longer term) is quite stark and needs addressing with some urgency.
Maybe if the Thompson one is true Mago or Ellis may be returning home after the current season?
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| Quote ="mattsrhinos1978"Anybody with any Knowledge of RL will be querying that decision, its unbelievable that 2 SL officials thought that was a try, even as a fan who's team benefited from it, its disturbing to see, between officiating and the Disciplinary, they're ruining our game.
The 'late' hit on Oledzki was another, absolutely bonkers decision, the Wigan player barley grazed him with his hand.
Games fu*ked if something dosnt change quickly'"
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"That VR call is the most blatantly incorrect decision I can remember.
What on earth is going on with officiating this season, absolutely shambolic.'"
Worse than Grace’s 'Try' against Leeds?
I didn’t think so
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| Quote ="Sgy Loiner"Worse than Grace’s 'Try' against Leeds?
I didn’t think so'"
2 wrongs dont make a right,if it is wrong it is wrong.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Yellow cards for pushing each other in the game last night as well.
In terms of officiating the season can’t end soon enough. It’s been the worst I’ve ever seen and they need a sit down with people around the game and a reset in time for 2023.'"
It’s much better officiating in the NRL but Christ Wests have been badly done to today. Absolutely horrific decision by the bunker after a captains challenge that took place when there was no stoppage.
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| Quote ="Stu M"It’s much better officiating in the NRL but Christ Wests have been badly done to today. Absolutely horrific decision by the bunker after a captains challenge that took place when there was no stoppage.'"
He escorted him off the ball so was a penalty all day. The captain has 10 seconds to challenge a decision regardless.
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| Quote ="hatty"He escorted him off the ball so was a penalty all day. The captain has 10 seconds to challenge a decision regardless.'"
Not a chance. He wasn’t even looking behind him, he was running towards the ball. How can you challenge when it’s in play?
You literally cannot challenge something that hasn’t been called. Otherwise players could challenge at every play-the-ball, something the NRL have been adamant all season cannot be done.
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| Quote ="Stu M"Not a chance. He wasn’t even looking behind him, he was running towards the ball. How can you challenge when it’s in play?
You literally cannot challenge something that hasn’t been called. Otherwise players could challenge at every play-the-ball, something the NRL have been adamant all season cannot be done.'"
That’s how most escorts tend to work via a touch of deceit. It was a penalty as I saw it however I didn’t realise that the referee hadn’t actually blown for anything so on that aspect of it your right… unless he got the nod from the bunker!
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| Some absolute shockers atm. Never an obstruction in the Wests game and yesterday Huddersfield were robbed of a penalty in the last minute (Catalans drop goal attempt off the post - Fages picks up and is tackled by offside players in front of the kicker).
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| Nothing will change until
1 - fans stop blindly agreeing with decisions when they go for their team, or against a rival. If it's wrong, then call it out as wrong.
2 - the owners of the clubs come out and say something publicly. The TMO decision on Thursday was absolutely atrocious, but nothing has been said by the club. It doesn't help anything. Call it/them out for it, go to town and put them in their place.
I've said it a million times, McManus was right with what he did after the CC Final. Sadly he was pillared by opposition fans, who simply didn't care, as it was an easy shot to the take at Saints.
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| Things would change and improve if the TV commentators and more so summerisers were critical of wrong decisions made by match officials.
The try at Leeds scored between the legs of the Leeds player playing the ball was ridiculous. So why didn't the tv folk call it out as wrong before the decision was made. Same with the "Spear or Tip" tackle by French. The phrase "a bit harsh" was nonsense. Why didn't they ask which part of the Leeds player was lifted above the horizontal?
If the match officials were called out live on tv their seniors would soon sort things out and standards would improve. That includes the logic, or lack of, a referee going to the VR and saying I think it is a try or No try. Just allow the VR ton make the decision, he's a full time referee and as capable as the match referee for giving the correct opinion.
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| Things would change and improve if the TV commentators and more so summerisers were critical of wrong decisions made by match officials.
The try at Leeds scored between the legs of the Leeds player playing the ball was ridiculous. So why didn't the tv folk call it out as wrong before the decision was made. Same with the "Spear or Tip" tackle by French. The phrase "a bit harsh" was nonsense. Why didn't they ask which part of the Leeds player was lifted above the horizontal?
If the match officials were called out live on tv their seniors would soon sort things out and standards would improve. That includes the logic, or lack of, a referee going to the VR and saying I think it is a try or No try. Just allow the VR ton make the decision, he's a full time referee and as capable as the match referee for giving the correct opinion.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Things would change and improve if the TV commentators and more so summerisers were critical of wrong decisions made by match officials.
The try at Leeds scored between the legs of the Leeds player playing the ball was ridiculous. So why didn't the tv folk call it out as wrong before the decision was made. Same with the "Spear or Tip" tackle by French. The phrase "a bit harsh" was nonsense. Why didn't they ask which part of the Leeds player was lifted above the horizontal?
If the match officials were called out live on tv their seniors would soon sort things out and standards would improve. That includes the logic, or lack of, a referee going to the VR and saying I think it is a try or No try. Just allow the VR ton make the decision, he's a full time referee and as capable as the match referee for giving the correct opinion.'"
They did say the try shouldn’t have been given.
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| Yes they did, only after the decision had been made.
An opinion like "They can't give that, it's just illegal".
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| I just watched the Wests game. That was a shocker, that literally atole the game for the Cowboys. Wasn't the only bad decision in that game by any means, though.
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