I think that the only way that you’re 1 to 7 will change is if Hardaker stays or we recruit to replace Hardaker. I believe that we have spoken to Miller at Wakefield but unsure if this is now a non starter due to the recruits from the nrl

I’ve said for a while that the squad is totally out of balance and for example the resigning of Bateman just added to that. IL and KR decide the squad so I agree they are to blame for all of its faults and shortcomings.
Unless there are some major changes at the top I’m not sure that even a new coaching set up can resolve the issues. When IL goes then KR will probably follow as the new owner will want his own man in place.
This won’t happen I suspect until the 2023 season.

Things will get better when Lam goes but I don’t see any silverware until IL goes or he gets his mojo back because despite one or two decent signings the retention and other recruits have been nothing but backward steps in recent seasons.

I think that the only way that you’re 1 to 7 will change is if Hardaker stays or we recruit to replace Hardaker. I believe that we have spoken to Miller at Wakefield but unsure if this is now a non starter due to the recruits from the nrl

I’ve said for a while that the squad is totally out of balance and for example the resigning of Bateman just added to that. IL and KR decide the squad so I agree they are to blame for all of its faults and shortcomings.
Unless there are some major changes at the top I’m not sure that even a new coaching set up can resolve the issues. When IL goes then KR will probably follow as the new owner will want his own man in place.
This won’t happen I suspect until the 2023 season.

Things will get better when Lam goes but I don’t see any silverware until IL goes or he gets his mojo back because despite one or two decent signings the retention and other recruits have been nothing but backward steps in recent seasons.

During our success under Maguire and Wane, I felt a big difference was how good we were at shifting the ball left to right. Look at the Gleeson try in the Grand Final from our own half and then the success wingers have had that side over the last decade. Now it might be because O’Loughlin was probably the best left to right link man in the game but it’s still a lot of bodies who need to show a high level of skill to get us over the line. I’ve watched most of the game again and some of the shifts last night were just down to a lack of basic skill. We clearly don’t practice enough from the younger ages and then it’s more difficult to catch up the older the players get. It’s just been alluded to about players being athletes now and that literally sums up everyone except KPP who we are all lauding because he can put in a regular offload in his game! Our forward production line is basically lads who can make 40 tackles but with very little damage done other than an occasional Smithies head in the tackle or a Partington flop.

I think its down to recruitment, keep signing left sided people, I know ive said it numerous times and been shot down but we need people who are natural at being that side, we had, joel, gells and charnely for years, then replaced gells with sarge who was a left sided centre and bateman who is a righty but when he left we sigend greenwood another left sided second row, it seems we just sign people who play the position in general and a preference isnt looked at, Miski is a left winger but have signed him to play on the right, might sound daft but he will have to run with the ball in the other arm and change his step etc, small things but thats the difference in the league

The most dominant Wigan side I've seen was the 2011 one, which went on an incredible streak of being unbeaten in 21 out of 22 games and won the CC Final. That season Goulding, Charnley and Roberts all played on both wings (the first two scored on both wings as well). Goulding and Marsh played both centres, Deacon played halfback on both sides of the pitch, Farrell played and scored in both second row positions. There are plenty big issues to fix but that isn't one of them.

where was richards and carmont? that was our left pairing....carmont wasnt left centre for 3 games the entire season, Tomkins played right centre most of the season due to the sacking of Gleeson, Marsh played centre 6 times and his winger scored twice in them games, Roberts played left wing once all year and twice on the right, when richards came back from injury after the first 8 games he didnt miss a game, so its a bigger issue than you think, the 2010 team was far better than the 2011 also...

Don't remember Coslett, but I equate him to Eric Hughes or maybe even as bad as Andy Goodway.

Coslett a couple of years before my time. I came in under Bamford, a poorer team still recovering from relegation but a sprinkle of half decent signings were made and led the way to some success under Murphy.

We've been lucky over the years. We've only had a small number of below average to average coaches that I can think of.


Millward
Hughes
Dorahay
Goodway
Betts
Lam

No post match interview from Lam?

He looks like a coach who knows his time is up and it’s a case of when not if.

If we fail to respond against Saints next week I think he will go especially if Saints put 20+ on us.

It’s sad to see.

I cannot see what Thornley will bring to your team. Was very surprised when his signing was announced.

Kel Coslett introduced himself to the Wigan players in their first training session (and subsequently to the press, when various players rang the newspapers afterwards) by telling them he didn't even want the job and was only at Central Park until a vacancy appeared at St Helens.

Lam may not be much of a coach, but I think we can safely say that in terms of professionalism, he is streets ahead of that.

I don't really get the complaints about our outside backs. Were it not for some excellent finishing last night from Marshall and Bobby, the score-line would have looked even bleaker..And Miski looks like he culd be useful.The proposed back five would hardly be that awful, but I too would worry about Smith and Field in the halves. Field is still an unknown quantity with limited first-grade experience, and Smith, well, he just makes too many errors/takes too many wrong options for me.

There was am interview on Sky with Lam, and also one on Wigan tv.

The Sky one wasn't shown post match due to time restraints.

If ever there was a moment for management to replace his coach it's this one: https://twitter.com/WiganWarriorsRL/sta ... 30597?s=19 "We are trying to be a top four team" How far we've fallen.

If ever there was a moment for management to replace his coach it's this one: https://twitter.com/WiganWarriorsRL/sta ... 30597?s=19 "We are trying to be a top four team" How far we've fallen.

It's not been announced yet. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Quote ="MattyB"If ever there was a moment for management to replace his coach it's this one: https://twitter.com/WiganWarriorsRL/sta ... 30597?s=19 "We are trying to be a top four team" How far we've fallen.'" IL has really let his crown slip this season. He's stood by and let this season slip away with his inaction. A new prop (something everyone could see after game one), plus a proper coach and we'd be fighting for the top spot imo. Overall, I'm still a fan of IL but he should be ashamed with the way he's let this season go. Myself and others have said that we weren't ready to write the side & season off, but it's obvious IL is/has.

Quote ="MattyB"If ever there was a moment for management to replace his coach it's this one: https://twitter.com/WiganWarriorsRL/sta ... 30597?s=19 "We are trying to be a top four team" How far we've fallen.'" IL has really let his crown slip this season. He's stood by and let this season slip away with his inaction. A new prop (something everyone could see after game one), plus a proper coach and we'd be fighting for the top spot imo. Overall, I'm still a fan of IL but he should be ashamed with the way he's let this season go. Myself and others have said that we weren't ready to write the side & season off, but it's obvious IL is/has.

I would have expected it to be announced by now if Lam was staying, they must know if they want him or not. The danger is, if they have decided he's going and they announce that, it undermines him for the rest of this season and probably does more harm than good.

IL isn't really the kind to sack a manager, to me it looks like trying to steady the ship and not create distraction at this point in the season, when in theory we are still well in with a chance mathematically.

It could be another month or so before we hear one way or the other.

IIRC we didn't know Noble was going until he announced it straight after the last game. I could see the same happening with Lam where he knows but it's kept private till we are out.

Yeah pretty much what I was thinking. Wouldn't surprise me if they've gone down the NRL number 2 route again

Not sure about that. Lenegan usually goes out there and does those kind of deals himself and if he had been out of the country im sure we would have heard about it. It'l be Matty Peet. It's so underwhelming to think that might happen. Hope to god i am wrong though. If that was the choice then i'd rather have Danny Ward but even then it says to me that mediocrity will be the new norm.

I can't even think about that as an option.

It will be Peet

It will all be done remotely this year, no chance of non nationals getting in Aus for a while.

That's one way creating more despondency!

I watched it again this morning and it is equally frustrating as I thought on Friday evening. Terrible first 20 minutes but then we looked a decent team for 15 minutes before half time.

You would then think after half time we would come out and continue but alas we didn’t. And to be honest, I don’t know why I was surprised. Under Lam, we’ve often threatened to break out into a decent team but then flattered to deceive. I also think the club are misinterpreting the supporters’ mood massively; they tweet out this morning ‘it’s derby week

’ but we’re dreading it.

They need to announce the new coaching structure and get some optimism back amongst us ASAP. I’m happy with Wane as a DoR and Peet as head coach, they know what a Wigan team should look like. I think we’ve lost some of that identity over the last 3 seasons whilst pursuing this ‘flamboyant attacking’ style that has never come.