If you choose to attack Pat i may as well book my tickets for GF.

RL Fans least knowledgable fan strikes again, have a word with yourself SaintsFan, you have beat us once in 6, we will NOT play that badly again, you was at your best and beat us by 8 with Charnleys disallowed try being very debatable. You was also at your best in the semi, we played about 60% and beat you.

You've not noticed the loss of pace? The turning circle of an oil tanker? Seriously ??

He's been a great player for Wigan, but he suddenly looks old.

Old?

The lack of pace may have something to do with the achilles problem he has suffered with since last years Grand Final. Just a thought like.

You're missing the point that it was in those first 20 mins that Wigan did the groundwork for them falling off later on. It doesn't really come across in the Sky coverage just how brutal our defence was in that game. The only inkling you get is the number of their players going off injured or getting up shaken but, trust me, the defence was as agrressive (and maybe more so) than anything served up from this Wigan team this season.

Don't you think it strange that after 20 something minutes the score was 2-0? Catalans weren't 'very poor' then were they? Maybe you could do worse than take the stance that Wigan were good because they went back to doing some of the things that won us the trophy last year, as well as the CC this....unless you also accept that Saints only ever win because the opposition is poor, in which case, fine.

Riiiight.

Saints had their game of the year when they managed to beat us and their celebrations showed that. We had a dreadful game, and as others have rightly stated, we lost by eight points only. Next Saturdays game will be a whole different matter.
Just hope Cummings and Ganson are nowhere in sight ~ they seem determined to make Saints champs to boost the new stadium opening.

Correct.

6 interchanges in the first half suggests our defence was brutal.

Mate, you know I respect you as a poster but those two comments simply aren't true. Check the scoreline after 20 odd minutes and even at half time it was only 12-0 (until we scored on the hooter, of course!) with Les Cats having had 2 tries disallowed!

OK, I give up. Catalans weren't poor. Huddersfield weren't poor. Hull KR weren't poor.

The respective opposition were just god like.

I guess you'll be saying Wigan weren't at all poor last week and were only as good as the incredible, dominant Saints allowed them to be. No? Thought not.

Catalans were very poor on Sunday.

Why do you assume it will be different on Saturday - have you got a crystal ball? You were 'dreadful' because thats how Saints allowed you to be. Mr Maguire has his work cut out, trying to sort out the problems that have seen Wire and Saints give Wigan a slapping in the last few weeks.

11 pages? Dearie me, this could have saved you all quite a bit of time

Who needs a crystal ball when that was the worst game we had played all year? Mr Maguire knows exactly how to take Saints apart ~ its been done this season a number of times. Just because Saints finally managed to beat us does not a great team make.

We shall see on Saturday. May the best team win.

Dear me Mr Biscuit. Only eight inches????

No mate, Huddersfield were poor against against Wire. Wigan were poor last week but Saints were equally as good as Wigan were poor. Several teams have been bad against us this season but what I'm saying is that's not ALWAYS the case. It's not a one-stance 'catch all' that a team wins only because the opposition is poor. Sometimes the team that wins does so because they played well as was the case in this instance. Catalans weren't at their best by any means but that's because Wigan absolutely beasted them in defence. Check out Henderson's post match interview. How often do you hear a player/coach/team say 'we simply couldn't live with them' (sic)? He was given the ready made excuse that Catalan weren't perhaps at their best, didn't get the rub of the green and there was an 'r' in the month but he refused to take them. He knew they'd been outplayed. It really was that simple.

I can't work out if you're trolling or believe your own bull, but surely even you can't claim Saints win because they make the opposition play badly but Wigan win because the opposition play badly of their own accord!

It's OK fella I get it.

Wigan lose and they were not outplayed, they were just poor. Wigan win and the opposition was not poor, they were just outplayed.

It's very simple

I like the fact that some saints fans think they just need to turn up. Lets hope their players think the same. I very much doubt it though.

And I'm not writing Leeds off either. Whoever wins at OT will deserve it. Best 4 teams up there again and all in form - although ours has been the worst recently leading up to the semis. But looks like Madge has sorted our last bit of weak defence out. Bring 'em on.

What a staggering assessment of this thread!

Unfortunately for us, you aren't planning Saints tactics for next week.

Ah..putting words in my mouth. The last refuge of the beaten.

I think you'll find I said Saints were as good as Wigan were poor. You outplayed us and absolutely killed us at the play the ball. What you didn't do was make us drop the ball, miss one on one tackles and have a lack of discipline. That's were we were poor. I'm not sure what part of the argument you're struggling with. And let's be honest here...it's you who's taking the stance you posted above.

Jeez, I'll make it simple for you.

There are a large number of posters here who cannot accept Wigan sometimes get beated because they did not perform as well as the other team !

'We were tired, the ref hates Wigan, the RFL hates Wigan, they pick on Sam' - sometimes the excuses just don't work, and the other team were better. As Saints comfortably were a couple of weeks back !

....And then there's you who does exactly the same the other way. So which is it?

So you'd agree that Catalans were poor, given that they also dropped the ball, missed one on one tackles, fumbled kicks, made nonsensical reads in defence etc?

Or did Wigan force that by being better in the forwards? If so, why did Saints not force the same by being better in the forwards last week? Why was idown to Wigan being poor, rather than Saints making them make mistakes?

Is it because Wigan players can't be forced to make mistakes by the opposition, they have to make them all on their own through being poor?

You were simply better than us last week, thats plain to see, BUT Im 100% that this season we are a better side than you, the league table doesnt lie, and I think we underperformed although you were superb. If a lower team beats a team that has been consistently better than them all season, the higher team surely must have underperformed in some way to be beaten.

Only when you're around Sheels.