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| The laughable thing is a late challenge on a kicker carries an automatic yellow card, why is this not the same for a late challenge on somebody who has just passed? the 2 scenarios are almost identical yet the punishments aren't
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| Quote ="jonh"Could he have got a yellow for the hit? I am unsure on the rules now but i know some offences are or at least were red or nothing which is stupid in my opinion.
It was late and more importantly for me it seemed like he changed direction to make sure he got him plum, which shows there was concious thought behind what he did.
All part and parcel of the game though, i think Tomkins is going to have to get used to that treatment throughout his career.
Right call by the RFL for a change in my opinion, acknowledge it was wrong and move on.'"
It is a yellow for a late hit on the kicker, im not sure what the rule is regarding a man who is just standing there after a pass.
Quote ="jonh"Can't understand the Widders warning letter though.'"
Its an offensive jeasture?
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| whats really getting to cas fans is they expected after the hit this kid to hid and they wouldnt see him again..WRONG
He took control from that moment. And produced 2 world class trys
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| Quote ="piemandan"It was at the Cas end though, wasn't it?'"
Not sure. But surely he wouldn't be giving a two-fingered salute to Cas fans. Why would he?
Maybe some individual had been giving him grief.
But whoever he made the gesture to, by his body-language and the look on his face - he's clearly too thick to make any attempt to conceal these things - he was not joking or messing around.
IMO, he should get a week's suspension for something like that.
For the record, Eddie Hemmings and co didn't seem to think it was that serious. I wonder how they'd have responded if a Wigan player had done it?
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"whats really getting to cas fans is they expected after the hit this kid to hid and they wouldnt see him again..WRONG
He took control from that moment. And produced 2 world class trys'"
When Tomkins took the hit i remember thinking to myself 'thats the worst thing Cas could have done'.
He's not the type to hide away so unless your going to hit him that hard he stays down i wouldn't bother.
He got up, dusted himself down and made them pay.
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"whats really getting to cas fans is they expected after the hit this kid to hid and they wouldnt see him again..WRONG
He took control from that moment. And produced 2 world class trys'"
Let's face it, in 1970 they won a Challenge Cup final on the strength of a brutal attack to the head of one of Wigan's best players.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"The laughable thing is a late challenge on a kicker carries an automatic yellow card, why is this not the same for a late challenge on somebody who has just passed? the 2 scenarios are almost identical yet the punishments aren't'"
Correct, also you could clearly see Sam had relaxed so was at greater risk of getting injured.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Let's face it, in 1970 they won a Challenge Cup final on the strength of a brutal attack to the head of one of Wigan's best players.'"
The worst tackle I have ever seen.
Don't get me started about it.
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/08/24/RUGBYL_Disciplinary.html
Mitchell sergeant has been cautioned for his assault on Sam, some good news for us though is that both Tickle and Tansey have been charged with Grade C offences and could be banned for the game against us
Also Dean widders was sent a warning letter for gesturing to the crowd, did anybody notice this??'"
Assault pmsl, it was a late tackle, if you cant stand the heat get out the kitchen..but then again a wigan player has never ever ever committed a late tackle now have they, jesus if it was assault, id recommend going to the police to sort out an illegal attack. it isnt like you havent got video evidence.......talk about over reaction....and your dragging things up from 39 years ago my god move on guys its history, id hate to imagine how pent up you get about the extermination of the jews.
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| Quote ="tigerman1+1"Assault pmsl, it was a late tackle, if you cant stand the heat get out the kitchen..but then again a wigan player has never ever ever committed a late tackle now have they, jesus if it was assault, id recommend going to the police to sort out an illegal attack. it isnt like you havent got video evidence.......talk about over reaction....and your dragging things up from 39 years ago my god move on guys its history, id hate to imagine how pent up you get about the extermination of the jews.'"
I just love the fact that he got up, shrugged his shoulders and then wiped the floor with you!!
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| Quote ="tigerman1+1"Assault pmsl, it was a late tackle, if you cant stand the heat get out the kitchen..but then again a wigan player has never ever ever committed a late tackle now have they, jesus if it was assault, id recommend going to the police to sort out an illegal attack. it isnt like you havent got video evidence.......talk about over reaction....and your dragging things up from 39 years ago my god move on guys its history, id hate to imagine how pent up you get about the extermination of the jews.'"
I think you'll find that he's no intention of getting out of the kitchen. But don't expect fans not to talk about something like that, especially when the RFL apprently takes the side of the miscreant.
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| Quote ="MattyB"I just love the fact that he got up, shrugged his shoulders and then wiped the floor with you!!
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and the rest is history, i'll be reading it in the fish and chip paper this week, it seems its you lot that cant get over the fact it was a late tackle which it was,,,,, so what! let the powers that be sort it, oh they have it was such an assault hes been given a caution, the kid took the blow played it to the max, as a professional player should and got on with the game, the get out the kitchen remark is to the pathetic fans who make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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| Quote ="piemandan"It was at the Cas end though, wasn't it?'"
It was.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I'm sure I remember incidents in the past when players got more than a slapped wrist for making obscene gestures to the crowd.
He made no attempt to disguise it, and it was a prolonged gesture, not a flick of the wrist.'"
I thought he was just signalling '2' It didn't look to me as though he was giving the V sign.
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| Sam is obviously a target because without him Wigan wouldn't be as good. The shoulder charge to his head was extremely late and deserved a one match ban. I have never condoned dirty players from Wigan and was pleased when Newton left.
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| Quote ="tigerman1+1"and the rest is history, i'll be reading it in the fish and chip paper this week, it seems its you lot that cant get over the fact it was a late tackle which it was,,,,, so what! let the powers that be sort it, oh they have it was such an assault hes been given a caution, the kid took the blow played it to the max, as a professional player should and got on with the game, the get out the kitchen remark is to the pathetic fans who make a mountain out of a mole hill.'"
Around the same time as Sam got the cheap shot, there was to me a bit more of a hint of gouging in the tackle by a Cas player.
I didn't record the game. Did anyone else notice this ? To me that was worse than the hit on ST.
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| Quote ="moonlight flit"Around the same time as Sam got the cheap shot, there was to me a bit more of a hint of gouging in the tackle by a Cas player.
I didn't record the game. Did anyone else notice this ? To me that was worse than the hit on ST.'"
I thought it was just another high tackle.
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| Quote ="tigerman1+1"Assault pmsl, it was a late tackle, if you cant stand the heat get out the kitchen..but then again a wigan player has never ever ever committed a late tackle now have they, jesus if it was assault, id recommend going to the police to sort out an illegal attack. it isnt like you havent got video evidence.......talk about over reaction....and your dragging things up from 39 years ago my god move on guys its history, id hate to imagine how pent up you get about the extermination of the jews.'"
I hate to see how pent up you get about Wigan "cheating" you out of the superleage.
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| Quote ="tigerman1+1"Assault pmsl, it was a late tackle, if you cant stand the heat get out the kitchen..but then again a wigan player has never ever ever committed a late tackle now have they, jesus if it was assault, id recommend going to the police to sort out an illegal attack. it isnt like you havent got video evidence.......talk about over reaction....and your dragging things up from 39 years ago my god move on guys its history, id hate to imagine how pent up you get about the extermination of the jews.'"
Get off your high horse sugar, you'll get a nose bleed. The issue is that YOUR fans were accusing Sam of faking it and taking a dive!!!!!
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"The laughable thing is a late challenge on a kicker carries an automatic yellow card, why is this not the same for a late challenge on somebody who has just passed? the 2 scenarios are almost identical yet the punishments aren't'"
I think it's because when a late challenge is committed on a kicker, he's usually either on one leg or in the air, so the risk of injury is greater.
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| Quote ="Saint #1"I think it's because when a late challenge is committed on a kicker, he's usually either on one leg or in the air, so the risk of injury is greater.'"
I see what you are saying if thats the rule then fair enough but is absolute garbage you are in a relaxed position regardless an injury is just as likely wether a kick or pass has just been made, you are vulnerable either way, especially if the late hit is around the head.
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| was nothing in it...being blown out of proportion
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| Quote ="pedro17"was nothing in it...being blown out of proportion'"
Correct it is a contact sport after all Sam made no big deal about it so he must have thought it was fair. It was no different than the hit Feca did on the Graham last year.
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| Quote ="moonlight flit"Around the same time as Sam got the cheap shot, there was to me a bit more of a hint of gouging in the tackle by a Cas player.
I didn't record the game. Did anyone else notice this ? To me that was worse than the hit on ST.'"
just watched the game again apparently in the last couple of minutes of the game when fielden was on the ground you can see piggy alledge that Terry Matterson ran on the pitch in a Cas stip and pull out Fieldens spine, this is ofcourse obsurd as its clear for all to see fielden lost his spine after a tap on the jaw by a big Aussie
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