Yeah look how badly were doing in the league only 2nd and the back to back championships real signs of a split team

Why dont you just enjoy your win ?

Sinfield in general is a fine superleague player but when games reach an intensity of last night sometimes he can be found wanting physically. He just doesn't have that physical presence that O'Loughlin has and gets driven back far too easily in the tackle. He gets through rafts of tackles to be fair to him but normally it's a case of him holding on for dear life waiting for abit of help to arrive.

Thats why he's never an international in a million years. At that level you have to be able to mix it and be tough and thats why O'Loughlin thrives at that level.

Sinfield and O'Loughlin get through a similar amount of tackles per match i'd imagine but the difference is O'Loughlins hurt and take juice out of the opposition whereas Sinfield is powder puff.

laugh all you want but he's not. Take sinfields kicking away he's nowhere near him.

Sinfield is a good super league player, gets shown up at international level though.

Put it this way, if you put O'Loughlin into leeds lineup, he'd be the best player in superleague.

Forget Sinfield for a moment. Are you honestly trying to tell us that O'Loughlin thrives at international level

...evidence please.

suggest you go have a lie down in a dark room!

I think it is only fair for people to have an opinion on sinfield who watch him week in week out and then will realise he gives his all for the club, a true professional. We don't mind you don't rate him because we've got him

And you can keep him

Thanks we will.

Aye, its warrington that want him!!! if you believe the tripe on the Leeds boards

I take it you haven't watched O'Loughlin's prformances for GB then? Where do you want to start? The MOM in the final test in his last series, the fact that all the Aussie pundits rate him as one of the few GB players who would thrive in the NRL or would you prefer the time he came on and gave Long a lesson in kicking against the Aussies. Maybe the 17 tackles in as many minutes when coming on from sub is more to your taste or maybe...just maybe....the opinion of one Tony Smith (one of your own I believe) might be enough to convince you? No? Thought not as your obviously a one-eyed gimp who knows feck all about rugby league.

You not heard ??

there the new big thing in the land of make believe

How long has Maurice been a Steward?! Far right.

Sinfield up until last night has been outstanding. He along with the rest of the Leeds team were awful. He's a great leader who has lead a traditionally under achieving club to 3 SL GF wins, which he has been outstanding in all of them. He has a Lance Todd Trophy as well, so to say he can't handle pressure or big games is ridiculous. And one thing that is over looked (not just in Sinfield but in the modern day player) is his ability to stay fit. He hardly misses a game.

Sure, he will probably never make it as a test player, but thats not the end of the world some of the biggest RL legends were outstanding for their club, while being average for their country. Radlinski, Edwards, Newlove, David Ward etc.

On Flanders, lets not get carried away, he still has a lot to prove at SL and test level, he's been very solid for England/GB but lets not make him out to be Hanley (speaking of Hanley, he seems to have bagged himself a right milf

). Plus he has still yet to prove he can hack it in the really big games at club level.

Wheras Sinfield has, of course, turned in numerous Hanley-esque performances at test level.

I find sinfield a dirty player and the way he talks to the ref is appauling

MoM in one match out of a series..Nice...pity the opposition for that series was not at full strength.

Pundits are paid to talk..when or if he does what they talk of give us a shout.

Everybody knows Long cant kick.

He got through a lot of tackles...big deal....remember stats dont always show the true picture...did he come on at a point in the match where the opposition were tired...probably.

Tony smith has also picked Sinfield for the national side I believe.

Im not from wigan so its obvious I know feck all about the game.

Who said he had?

Eddited for accuracy.

Jesus. If you need any more weak excuses try 'The big Book Of I know Feck All About Rugby And Need Ridiculous, Straw-Clutching Excuses To Justify My Stance'. Should suit you to a 'T'.

You have highlighted some average achievements from o,loughlin in a series against a not at full strength NZ side. I have not once suggeted Sinfield is the consumate international. You got all giddy and started telling us that o'loughlin is a superb international when clearly he is not.

Its going to be a long 7 weeks.

Well given your penchant for re-writing history I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but only one of those 'achievements' mentioned was against NZ. The rest were against the Aussies. Still, always best not to let facts get in the way of your one-eyed gimp view of life. Now toddle off back under your stone, you're starting to bore me.

Sinfield is a good player in his own right, you don't become captain of a good team like Leeds for as long as he has. As for comparing him to O' Loughlin, Lockers play's like a proper back row forward, he tackles more, busts more tackles and make's more metre's than Sinfield does.
Sinfield on the other hand has a lot better kicking game and play's more like a stand off than a 13. I think he play's a lot better for the Rhino's than GB / England because he plays better with Burrows, & McGuire. where as at rep level he has had too get to play with Pryce, Long and Deacon etc.

But O' Loughlin is a better xiii than Sinfield. In that he is a better back row forward.

A sensable and reasoned post!