Agreed. It's ridiculous to include the likes of Long and Gilmour - Wigan were top of the tree in those days, and well endowed in near enough every position. Whereas Haughton was a regular first-teamer and GB player, but seemed to run out of steam for no apparent reason. He had more than enough chances, but diminished as a force with spectacular and bewildering speed. If he'd kept it up, Wigan would never have released him.

We're really only talking about the likes of Aspinwall, Brown, Robinson, Briscoe, etc. And as has been said repeatedly, it's entirely a matter of opinion whether that lot would add anything to our team now. Most fans feel they wouldn't.

If you watched the Huddersfield vs Hull game the other week...there isnt a single former Wigan player i'd have back. Not a one. Really.

Brown & Robinson for Tommy & Tomkins? No chance
Tickle/Wild for Hock/Hansen/Tomkins? Nope
Calderwood/Aspinwall/Hodgson/Briscoe for Pat/Amos/Ainscough/Carmont? Never

I'm very happy with what we have right now and these youngster would never have made us a force in SuperLeague so good luck to them in their respective teams and thankyou to them for their loyal service.

I'd take Brown over Goulding and Tickle over Hansen.

I was being sarcastic about all my inclusions, I'm happy with what we have now and which youngsters we are bringing in. Long term IMO they will be better than the ones we have let go.

In hindsight Briscoe at Wigan, Phelps int bin apart from that im not sure any of the others would be worth it. Tickle is 50/50 i suppose and im not bothered about Hargreaves either.

People mention Tickle but he doesn't deserve to come any where near the Wigan shirt again after his attitude and performances in 2006 (Both on and off field!).

Exactly, and to be honest I wouldn't have him ahead of Hock, Hansen or Joel Tomkins.

This topic rears it's head over and over again. The same answear comes back everytime from the majority which is there are very few players we've released in the last 6-8 years we'd have back in the squad. It's spot on.

Briscoe would probably the only player guarenteed a spot in our 17. The other 2 you could argue for are Brown and Tickle but it's a matter of opinion on those 2 and not everyone would want them.

I would have Prescott and O'Carroll over Hargreaves anyday.

Of 3 props of all a similar age I think we retained the best ones.

I don't think we should be too concerned with the players that we have released in the past.It is more important that the club retains and continues to develop the current crop of Wigan youngsters.

Already we have seen the impact that Sam Tomkins and Shaun Ainscough have made.Hopefully the likes of Ben Davies,Liam Farrell,Lee Mossop and Josh Veivers can push on and also challenge for first team opportunities in the near future.

If most of those players that have left had left any other club than Wigan, nobody would bat an eye lid.

Its funny how Wigan get slated for doing it yet Leeds allow Raynor, Carvell and Dowes to slip through there fingers pretty much all superior players to lads we have allowed to leave and it hardly gets a mention.

If you invest in youth and have a good youth system in place it will always happen. It is impossible to retain all your young talent if you aim to be a successfull team, if you do retain them you will forever be in a period of transition.

And Calderwood and Mathers.

And that just proves the point! Sometimes You get it Wrong and Sometimes you get it RIGHT!

We now have Eamon O'carroll, Michael McIlorum, Paul Prescott, Joel Tomkins, Sam Tomkins, Sean Ainscough, Darrell Goulding that are either regulars in the first team or there abouts.

Not to mention Gareth Hock and Sean O'loughlin established England internationals.

Then we have two of the best reserve and academy squads in the league.

Lee Mossop, Chris Tuson, Ben Davies, Mark Flanagan, Liam Farrell and Ian Thornley who will all be pushing for a place some time soon.

Also we've had Harrison Hansen since he was just 17? What ever age it was he has progressed through the Wigan academy.

And recently we have just signed up two really promising young talents to add to the other three we announced at the Castleford game.

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I don't think we're doing to bad.

Just for prosperity here's a couple of Dean Bell era successes. (Been resurrecting old academy stuff recently on the site.)

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[url=http://wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/index.php?page_id=9542003 Senior Academy GF: Bradford 30 Wigan 36[/url
[url=http://wigan.rlfans.com/news.php?readmore=2282005 Junior Academy GF: Leeds 22 Wigan 33[/url

Just goes to show!

Your Lucky To get 2 or 3 from each crop over a couple of seasons!

Indeed. Everyone keeps harping on about bringing more younger players through but they have to remember they have to be able to play to super league standard. Some do and some don't. Most either go to NL1/NL2 clubs or look for a career elsewhere.

Wigan however at the moment have the most talent coming through that I have ever known in the super league era in terms of quality.

Reading those team it is clear that very few players (on both sides) make it to the top level - for both teams in each match only 1 or 2 players go on to make 1st team, seems like it is not a uniquely Wigan thing letting young players go.

But that should hardly come as a surprise given that once a player makes it into the 1st team they could be there for several years so effectively blocking anyone below them. And the salalry cap ensure that squads cannot be very large.

Still doens't stop the Wigan bashers from trying to use letting young players go as a stick to try and beat Wigan with.

What many of those who perpetuate this myth conveniently forget is that, a few years ago, Wigan had a team stuffed with kids - and it paid no dividends at all.

I'm not sure if it was the season of the famous 75-0 defeat, or maybe the year we got trounced at Cardiff, but Eddie Hemmings, gleeful as ever at Wigan having problems, asked if we were a club in decline, and Phil Clarke replied something like: "It's not that they're a club in decline, it's just that their current crop of players are not good enough."

To me, that said it all.

Recruitment is a far more complex and sophisticated process than those who wish to 'promote youth at any cost' seem to realise.

Well most came through in 2003 when we had dreadful injuries and the reaching of the Grand Final made all seem rosy. But at the end of 2004 when literally ALL the experience Wigan had left at once, things went downhill and fast!

I sometimes wonder though that things could have been a lot different had Mike Gregory not fallen ill. A Grand Final and a Challenge Cup Final in his short time as coach, albeit both lost, was a remarkable achievement.

I think we'll always wonder what would have happened if Greg had stayed fit and healthy and kept the coaching job at Wigan. After the guy was first appointed, he could barely give an interiew without getting tearful - that was what coaching Wigan meant to him. Little wonder it bled into the players and they went on that incredible winning streak that took them from mid-table mediocrity to a Grand Final (before they were really ready for one, if we're honest).

Alas, it was not to be.

But it may be that RL historians will look back on that brief period, and identify the tragedy of Mike's sudden illness as being a key factor in Wigan's mid-2000s decline. It really knocked the club for six, in many different ways.

I personally think it was a key factor, we went from a club back on the up to a club spiralling out of control within a few short months.

It was THE factor. Everything went wrong once Greg fell ill. Its a tragedy that we will never know what we could have achieved.

Combined with the appointment of Millward, if someone could have built on the foundations laid rather than instantly destroy the moral and togetherness of the team, the story may well have been very different.

Until the day I found out he'd passed, I never stopped hoping that Greg was going to get better and come back. Sentimentality can easily cloud one's thinking, but I really do think he would have gone on to be one of the great Wigan coaches.