The minutes say he called him a f*@king cheat on two occasions (although Griffin disputes that, saying he called him an arrogant summat or other). If that’s now a long ban then fair enough, we know where we stand and players who do it will get everything they deserve.

I thought it was interesting that Richard Silverwood agreed it’s a ban but thought it was excessive at 7 games. He thought 4 games would be about right and I tend to agree. It’s hard not to compare incidents like for like and the same bans (or very similar) for what Josh Maguire apparently said in his two incidents, compared to this or O’Donnell getting a game less for something that could’ve paralysed a player feels wrong in my book but I go back to this now being a line in the sand moment and it it is, fair enough. The next player to say something similar will be even thicker than Griffin.

Once he was charged with a F it was always going to be 6 games due to the RFL guidelines. He's probably got an extra game given it was his second offence this season in a similar vein.

I think the word "cheat" (if true) has been the tipping point in that he is deemed to have then questioned the refs integrity. If he had said s**thouse for example then would the charge have been less? Who knows

I have a mate who is a ref and he’s always told me that the worst insult a ref could have thrown at them is to be called a cheat.

I’m comfortable with it as long as this is now the standard going forward but we’ll see. I do think Kendall himself probably needs to have a think about how he interacts with the players but it’s no excuse for Griffin.

I agree with that, have never liked when Ref's refer to players by their first names. It does give off that pal-ey vibe. No issue with players and refs being matey off the pitch, but on should be all business and mutual respect.



Yes a line has been drawn, consistency is key now, something they have not been very good at to be honest.

O'Donnell did get off lightly and should have got more games imo, so should Hardaker. His tackle was also reckless and lacking control. He also didn't exactly place him or let go, Hardaker's tackle could also have taken a very sour turn. Appealing that is ludicrous and hopefully they do get done with a frivolous appeal as i don't think the new trial has occurred yet?

Hardakers appeal has been heard. Grading stood, as did the one game but it cost them £500 extra. If ever there was a case to tag extra games on that was it.

There's no doubt that refs need protecting. As someone else has said, there is no game without them and we should all be aware of that, particularly the players as it's their livelihood.

That said, Kendal has been rank bad over the last couple of games. I let it slide (1st half v Saints) when it was us as I took the old 'cherry and white specs' into consideration but he was equally as inept in the Quarter final. No excuse for Griffin but equally he needs to seriously up his game as he's becoming a liability capable of affecting the outcome of the matches he's reffing and surely that shouldn't be the case. Moreso when it seems to be on a consistent basis.

You should never back chat an official, I'm on board with that 100% and hate when it happens, BUT the standard at the moment seems to be really poor and I can see why players get frustrated. The lack of consistency is a big issue we need to address.

I also feel that clubs don't help the situation. Well, certain clubs.

They come out and criticise officials and so when that official starts to appear to side towards them with big decisions it will always bring the "cheat" or "bias" card into play.

Let's not forget there was an RFL conspiracy for the first 3to4 months of the season that amazingly has gone away last 3 or 4 weeks

I'm presuming "certain clubs" is a pop at Saints?

I don't recall Wellens or any club officials criticising referees? The fans did for sure but not Wellens. I also don't recall him having a pop at the disciplinary either just that the players "need to be smarter"

Well it wasn't directly aimed at Saints as other clubs have done it too, but didn't your Chairman write some scathing programme notes about officials?

He certainly did.

He should have taken the shafting instead though. All that money fans paid to go down to Wembley doesn't matter etc. The last thing we want to do is hurt the feelings of a ref right. I mean, reading the last 20 or so comments we're so lucky to have them.

Quote ="Stu M"I'm presuming "certain clubs" is a pop at Saints? I don't recall Wellens or any club officials criticising referees? The fans did for sure but not Wellens. I also don't recall him having a pop at the disciplinary either just that the players "need to be smarter"'" How to have a dig without having a dig 101 https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/paul-wel ... DkeyseW9Oc

Quote ="Stu M"I'm presuming "certain clubs" is a pop at Saints? I don't recall Wellens or any club officials criticising referees? The fans did for sure but not Wellens. I also don't recall him having a pop at the disciplinary either just that the players "need to be smarter"'" How to have a dig without having a dig 101 https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/paul-wel ... DkeyseW9Oc

That was 4 years ago! 2019 CC Final when Knowles scored but Hicks didn't bother with the VR and gave no try.

Weirdly Hicks had been to Warrington the week before the Final at some sort of club function and that was another thing that McManus raised as not being right.

Quote ="apollosghost"How to have a dig without having a dig 101 https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/paul-wel ... DkeyseW9Oc'" I think that's quite tame to be honest. He even says "we'll agree to disagree", he is allowed an opinion.

Quote ="apollosghost"How to have a dig without having a dig 101 https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/paul-wel ... DkeyseW9Oc'" I think that's quite tame to be honest. He even says "we'll agree to disagree", he is allowed an opinion.

You brought Saints up, not me

It is tame, very nicely put but a sly dig nonetheless

So as well as not banning players for foul play, you also think we should allow players and coaches to call officials a cheat?

100%. All this talk about "without refs there is no game" is BS. You could say it for anything. Without the fans, there's no interest from sponsors, season ticket revenue. Let's also be dead nice to the guys who make the rugby balls too. After all you can't play a game with a ball can you.

If I was a chairman, who I'd rather keep happy. 8k of paying customers or a g!mp with a whistle.

Also, if you aren't smart enough to work out that stars make games more interesting and that then drives up revenue, then maybe this won't be much of a discussion.

What happens if you're not a star player?

If Jai Field or Bevan French decide to "Eric Cantona" someone on Sunday then that's fine as they put bums on seats. What happens if Brad Singleton does it? Nobody pays to watch him.

What happens is what I suggested - they get fined. Their actions, their responsibility and their pockets that get hit. Not those of the club, or the fans.

It really is quite simple. Not sure why you can't grasp it?

Care to point out where the ball manufacturers or paying spectators have had to put up with abuse from the players? I've just googled it and, amazingly, nothing came up.

Speak for yourself pal! I have a rule where I do not attend unless Big Bad Brad is playing and I refuse to believe I’m the only one.

Can't get enough of the unseen work he does eh!

but without the refs there is no game for the sponsors and fans...