They were very good, reminded me very much of a good NRL team, just wore us down, not many errors and good last tackle plays but nothing yesterday made me think ‘that was brilliant’ or ‘you can’t defend against that’. There wasn’t a tonne of offloading or high risk plays that came off.

Give over

Hudds currently making us look good, HT Wakey 30-0 Hudds

I'm glad you appreciate how well the Dragons played. And there will be more to come like that.

Yes they did on the back of a strong forward dominance and half backs with time to operate. But we did make it so easy for them - too many poor performances, ill-discipline and poor tactics. Straight after half-time we gave a penatly away in the first set which put us on the back foot. Our kicking game was totally one dimensional and even on the rare occurances when we got near the Catalan line we never looked capable of scoring.

Catalan (especially at home) are a good team no doubt but it was all too easy for them, Wigan offered no threat from the first to last minute of the game.

Second half every time we cam out from our line we got about 30 yards and just hoofed the ball up in the middle of the Cataln half - so easy for Tomkins to catch it and run to half-way before our defese got anywhere near to him, no attempt to kick and turn the Ctalan team around, poor options all the time.

Looking from the outside, the enthusiasm of your young, inexperienced and fairly lightweight pack got you through up until yesterday. Catalans pack worked them over and the halfbacks took advantage. We have our own numpty in Tom Lineham but Hardaker and to an extent Bateman are rather “nastier” when things don’t go their way, that could prove costly.

I know we generally like having people work for the club who have an emotional attachment to it but sometimes you can see how it can hinder our progress. Kris R is Wigan through and through so it might be a good idea to give the strategic planning job to someone who is not worried about upsetting their mates.

The next 3 games are Huddersfield HKR and Wakefield
I’d suggest a top 2 side should win all three
A top 6 side say 2 out of 3
A bottom 4 side probably 1 or nil

How confident currently are you on how many we would win?
My assumptions above are not very scientific but I’d like to think are roughly what a lot of people would broadly agree with.

Perspiration will only get you so far and at the moment there seems to be very little inspiration within the set up.
I’m not being defeatist but I’m not sure with the current personnel on and off the field how we are going to improve and after the next three games the opposition gets stronger so the downward trend could continue.

I agree with others that Lam rightly or wrongly will be here until the end of the season so unless new blood is introduced on the playing front I just don’t see how we turn it around particularly in the short term.

Hey I hope I’m wrong and the first 8 games have been a blip but at best I see us around mid table and lower than that would not be a great surprise

The next 3 games are Huddersfield HKR and Wakefield
I’d suggest a top 2 side should win all three
A top 6 side say 2 out of 3
A bottom 4 side probably 1 or nil

How confident currently are you on how many we would win?
My assumptions above are not very scientific but I’d like to think are roughly what a lot of people would broadly agree with.

Perspiration will only get you so far and at the moment there seems to be very little inspiration within the set up.
I’m not being defeatist but I’m not sure with the current personnel on and off the field how we are going to improve and after the next three games the opposition gets stronger so the downward trend could continue.

I agree with others that Lam rightly or wrongly will be here until the end of the season so unless new blood is introduced on the playing front I just don’t see how we turn it around particularly in the short term.

Hey I hope I’m wrong and the first 8 games have been a blip but at best I see us around mid table and lower than that would not be a great surprise

You honestly believe we will finish in the bottom 4?

My main concern is our lack of line breakers now that Field and French are out long term. Gildart and Marshall may help but in 2020 we were hugely reliant on Bevan French, both to break the line and to create space for others. This is why I was never a fan of Zak playing fullback long term even though some of the media were calling for it.

I wouldn’t discount it. We just don’t score enough points so potentially most games could go either way so if we lose more than we win it wouldn’t surprise me.

If we lose the next 3 games then the possibility would for me harden.

How many of the next 3 games do you you think we will win?

I agree our lack of as you say line breakers will be a major issue for the remainder of the season
Even with Marshall back there is no guarantee that he will retain his pace and if he does are we capable of utilising it?

That’s an unbelievably simplistic view.

Warrington lost to Hudds and Cas but beat Catalans twice. It’s all swings and roundabouts in this poor league.

Catalans looked awful until they beat Hull. No doubt they will lose 2 of their next 3 games as well.

All you need to do is make the top 4 (ideally top 2) and then win a few close games and you are SL winners.

The main stickler in this league is injuries because the dirge in quality and salary cap means any side who gets 4 or 5 players out means they just can’t compete against a side with no injuries.

Yes and a particular concern with Marshall as that's his main strength.

Looks like Hanley will be at fullback now for the next 6 games or so - he'll provide some speed but we'll clearly have to accept the rough with the smooth.

I think we're likely to finish between 4th and 6th. Our best hope IMO is Jai Field returning in mid August.

It most certainly is but probably just as accurate as a “war and peace” analysis

How many wins do you forecast from our next 3 games?
How many games do you need to win against “lower” opposition to achieve a top 4 spot. I’d say the majority in fact the vast majority

Probably 2 if not all 3 but like I said it’s less black and white when you have a load of injuries.

No coach or team in the world can carry on as normal with 7 of your starting 17 out with 5 or 6 of them in the backs which is where our squad is balanced towards.

Obviously you need to beat the lower teams to finish top 4. Currently there’s 4 or 5 of them so that makes up a large part of your calendar but winning 60% of your games will likely get you top 4 so we can afford to lose 9 or 10 games. Even if we lose every game against Saints, Wire and Catalans we can then still lose another 3 games and still make top 4.

I’m not a Lam fan by any stretch of the imagination but I agree with the number of long term injuries that we have has set this out as a very difficult season. With a full squad the next 3 games could have been winnable but with a depleted back line I’d be surprised if we win any of them.
I think that the following 2 games are Wire and Saints? We could be facing 6 losses on the bounce.

With a very weakened back line and a poor beatable pack I don’t think that there are any gimmes for the remainder of the season and a free fall wouldn’t surprise me. Lose the next 5 and can anyone really think that Lam can turn it around even if we get players back?

Do I think that we will finish in the bottom 4? Probably not but I suspect we will finish definitely lower than 4th. Time obviously will tell but next few weeks I suspect are going to be pretty torrid

The simplistic analysis for me is those who claim that because of the ever-diminishing standard of SL (zzzz...), we will anyway somehow fall into the GF alongside Saints pretty automatically. On the contrary, I would argue, we have not shown ourselves to be better than Hull, or Catalans, or Wire, and we only just managed to beat a depleted Leeds side. Meanwhile they tracked up 60 points this weekend, Why should we fancy our chances against an improving Hudds side? Who themselves got a bit of wake-up call this weekend.

It will be interesting to compare Lam and Hodgson's response to a defeat.

Because pretty much every year we come strong towards the end of the season while others disappear into nothing? Every year Catalans hammer a few teams and are spoken about as serious contenders but until that happens it's just talk. Same with Hull. When did they last make the GF? 2006?

Why shouldn't we fancy our chances against Huddersfield? They've beaten one decent team all season and are 9th in the table. If we can shut Sezer down that's 75% of the job done.

A coach way way out of his depth and too many bang average players, myself certainly and i know quite a few others as well are in no rush to spend our hard earned money on the sh*te being served up!!

Add me to that list. I work hard for my money and like to spend what i have spare on enjoying myself. Watching us play rugby for the last 3 years has been incredibly boring and certainly not enjoyable. I bought a season ticket last season for the first time in years on the back of the Burgess signing, i was impressed. Luckily covid meant i couldn't go and watch the dross and i let the club keep the cash. I won't be making that mistake again.

Two games to cover at fullback. It has either got to be Hanley or take a risk on Smith. I cannot think of anyone else. Best thing to do is to say to Hanley that he has two games and to enjoy himself and remind him that his performance is not going to have a big impact by the end of the season.

Why would previous year’s performances dictate this year?.
If that’s the case then Saints would win in perpetuity

I’ll take Huddersfield when we meet and let’s have a bet where the loser pays into a named charity. I’d like it to be the Wigan Hospice but more than happy to discus an alternative .
Who do Huddersfield need to shutdown??

We’ve lots of missing players and and a coach missing in coaching skills so I’d be quite amazed if we can turn it around in 2 weeks

Simple process of probability. Like how Wire haven't won the league for 60 years.

I'll take your bet on. If we can get Gildart and Isa on the field I see us winning a close game, or a narrow loss but either way the charity wins.