You got me. I’ve actually follow him around like a secret agent, reporting all his movements and misdemeanours.

The problem there is you know the next boo boo is coming at some point and if it happens at a crucial juncture in the season, like it did for Cas, it could cost you a big trophy.

Hard to see any other club at the top end of RL taking a punt on him after this, the lad has a lot of talent but is just way too much of an off field disaster.

I can just picture you dressed like a 1950's Russian spy peeping round corners to see what he's doing

The flip side is, that as one of the two most talented players in the league (next season) in the most influential position, he could be instrumental in any chance of silverware we have.

I didn't have much faith in him before, and I have less now. But, I'd rather him be here than at a rival.

This.

Out of interest, who do you think is the other most talent player in the league?

I could see that if he could keep himself out of bother but it appears he can't. I was gutted when Cas got him and his performances for them, especially against us, were phenomenal but he then went and handed us the title in the week of the GF. Then I wasn't so bothered he was gone. I think Cas fans will be feeling the same way now. We all thought we could tame him but whilst he hangs around with his "homies" I can't see him changing.

Yeh, that’ll do it. Genius!

That’s the problem. If he wasn’t so bloody good it would be a no brained to get rid. I suppose Wigan have got to make the decision between the probability of him doing something again (which is high) and his value as a top player.

The key seems to be getting him away from his ‘mates’. His agent has publicly said he needs to say to Wigan he will go tee total as all his indiscretions seem to start with ‘I had a drink’.

and that last bit is about as likely to happen as Lord Lucan and Elvis playing for Wigan next season. He might at a pinch say it but doing it....well ....just like he has apologised and said he will be a good boy after every incident and then....

If he can't behave enough to even get through a month training for a club that have given him a lifeline despite his long history and recent events then the time to get rid is now whilst there is time to make good - I do not care a jot how good a player he is (or can be) let him be someone else's problem.

I was going to run a poll to see when he would let us down. I didn't anticipate it would be before he'd even put on the shirt.

Get rid.

The irony of Tony Adams going in on Monday to talk about his issues, then this on Tuesday!

It’s hilarious.

Just wonder if any one knows if he is still training as normal? Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

I don’t disagree with any of that. I guess Wigan have until his court case to see who is available and work out a plan.

I can’t see him putting on a Wigan shirt, whether that ends up being the right decision remains to be seen.

Agree with most that has been said.

What seems the case to me is that I've never heard of someone having their contract of employment terminated due to motoring offences.

That's what I thought.

But the other thought was the 'someone' with Class A drugs. Now Hardaker may not have have anything to do with that...............but he sure as hell knew who of his mates were on that sort of stuff. Or likely to be involved with that sort of stuff.

If he keeps going around with 'low lifes', then he has only himself to blame.

All this is not something new.

My old dad was a close friend of Martin Ryan. They went to St.Josephs together in the 1920's/ 1930's. In that same time frame was a lad, who was in my Dads opinion and many other RL players from the late 1930's/1940's, a bit of a prodigy. His name was Billy Ritchie - a scrum half. He was reputedly even more skilled than Andy Gregory .

But he loved 'ale' more than playing for Wigan. Sometimes it can't be fixed.

And that’s the thing is t it?

It’s just motoring offences,as long as that’s all it is it’s a bit harsh to lose your job because of it unless driving is the main job and as far as I’m aware he won’t be driving the bus so it seems to me that’s what the club will look at,not as the baying mob would have,his ban included in his latest crime.

Gut instinct if it’s just a driving offence I think the club will stand by him under instruction that he moves here ASAP.

It’ll depend on what we’ve written in to his contract. If that was relating to drug offences then he’ll probably stay but if it’s general behaviour then surely he’ll be gone.

Not down playing drink driving as it is disgraceful imo but he could’ve done a whole number of things wrong and I’d want rid. The top and bottom line is that currently the guy needs to be squeaky clean to start building some trust. To do something as serious as this within a month of training with the club is simply ridiculous and a sign that it’s pointless trying to help him IMO.

His contract runs from November doesn’t it?

There are lots of people who lose their jobs for drink driving, and other motoring offences such as dangerous driving speeding etc.

There are lots of people who lose their jobs for drink driving, and other motoring offences such as dangerous driving speeding etc.

How about turning up for training having had a skinful the night before- is that not treating the club with disrespect?

Surely it would be in the mind of any new employee to try and make a good impression from the start especially one with a chequered history of previous issues. I am sure there are all sorts of clauses in his contract relating to behaviour and not getting into any kind of trouble - which he has not managed to do before even playing a game for the club.

If the club stands by him then it would send out a very dangerous message to other players about what the club will put up with if you are a good enough player - especially after standing up for the clubs image with the Joel Tomkins affair, standing by Hardaker would be hypocritical to say the least.

someone I once worked with was dismissed for drink driving. They were arrested and charged with drink driving as they were on their way to work, they held an office job not a driving one. They intended to turn up for work intoxicated and so were dismissed. Tribunal upheld the decision.

Also uninsured and no MOT... Plank.