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| Quote ="19 Leagues"Yeaman cracked him before this incident.'"
Just about to say that.
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| Quote ="19 Leagues"Yeaman cracked him before this incident.'"
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When will we find out whether Joel has a case to answer?
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"When will we find out whether Joel has a case to answer?'"
Just keep looking here.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Just keep looking here.
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| Quote ="19 Leagues"Yeaman cracked him before this incident.'"
In that case fair play to Joel. Had it been his brother he would have rolled around on the floor clutching his head then calmly got up and kicked the penalty to touch once it was given. |
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"In that case fair play to Joel. Had it been his brother he would have rolled around on the floor clutching his head then calmly got up and kicked the penalty to touch once it was given.'"
That's funny. As whenever I see Sam get a high shot, or a pure elbow/forearm to the face I normally just see him get up off the floor a second later and get on with the game.
You all just hate him cos when your sides go out to try and batter him out of the game, he gets up and runs rings around you. |
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Quote ="Ovavoo"Ganson did the right thing when Joel and Yeaman had the initial bust up. That's all it was a bust up, get on with the game. Let's face it, up until that point the game was in contention for being the most boring spectacle since Geoff Boycott opened the batting in a one day match for England. The problem was Joel wanted to kill him. There's a cracking picture on the back of the Evening post. It clearly shows the first contact from Joel to Yeaman was with his free hand, right under the chin. The ball carrying arm and elbow is right behind it though. The intent looks massive, he's even jumped in the air to get a better height advantage, so if the disciplinary people view it this way, then Joel is looking at a hefty ban IMO.
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Talk about getting Carried away!! What Joel did was stupid end of, anybody can see that but to talk about lengthy bans is laughable, if there was no fight before this he MAY be looking at a red or Yellow with SOS nothing more. Your description is nothing short of pathetic, first of all you are allowed to put your free hand in the face of the opponent, its called a hand off! secondly "He jumped in the air to get a height advantage"!!! are you for real?? He is a foot taller than Yeamen if he had jumped in the air his arms would have gone right over yeamens head.
At the end of the day anybody could see he was stupid going into the contact like that and if he gets a ban fair enough, you won't hear me complaining as it may be what he needs to learn to take that part of his game away but nobody kid yourselves Hull came to mix it up and Yeamen got what he deserved. I think some people want 26 fairies to run out on to the filed and play tick rugby! occasionally people will step over the mark but that will never change it is rugby!! The fans love it. Theres many a rugby legend and wigan legends who have a nasty streak and its never done them any harm, every team needs them to stop other teams thinking they can rule rough shod over other players. |
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Quote ="Ovavoo"Ganson did the right thing when Joel and Yeaman had the initial bust up. That's all it was a bust up, get on with the game. Let's face it, up until that point the game was in contention for being the most boring spectacle since Geoff Boycott opened the batting in a one day match for England. The problem was Joel wanted to kill him. There's a cracking picture on the back of the Evening post. It clearly shows the first contact from Joel to Yeaman was with his free hand, right under the chin. The ball carrying arm and elbow is right behind it though. The intent looks massive, he's even jumped in the air to get a better height advantage, so if the disciplinary people view it this way, then Joel is looking at a hefty ban IMO.
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Talk about getting Carried away!! What Joel did was stupid end of, anybody can see that but to talk about lengthy bans is laughable, if there was no fight before this he MAY be looking at a red or Yellow with SOS nothing more. Your description is nothing short of pathetic, first of all you are allowed to put your free hand in the face of the opponent, its called a hand off! secondly "He jumped in the air to get a height advantage"!!! are you for real?? He is a foot taller than Yeamen if he had jumped in the air his arms would have gone right over yeamens head.
At the end of the day anybody could see he was stupid going into the contact like that and if he gets a ban fair enough, you won't hear me complaining as it may be what he needs to learn to take that part of his game away but nobody kid yourselves Hull came to mix it up and Yeamen got what he deserved. I think some people want 26 fairies to run out on to the filed and play tick rugby! occasionally people will step over the mark but that will never change it is rugby!! The fans love it. Theres many a rugby legend and wigan legends who have a nasty streak and its never done them any harm, every team needs them to stop other teams thinking they can rule rough shod over other players. | |
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| Quote ="inside_man"That's funny. As whenever I see Sam get a high shot, or a pure elbow/forearm to the face I normally just see him get up off the floor a second later and get on with the game.
You all just hate him cos when your sides go out to try and batter him out of the game, he gets up and runs rings around you.'"
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull" '"
That pretty much proves that the initial contact was with the chest, that Joel won the collision and pushed outwards and Yeaman slid down and that's when the forearm/elbow made contact with the neck. The second still is the most telling.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"That pretty much proves that the initial contact was with the chest, that Joel won the collision and pushed outwards and Yeaman slid down and that's when the forearm/elbow made contact with the neck. The second still is the most telling.
I imagine Joel will not face a ban and will get sending off sufficient.'"
However, all angles have to be taken into consideration.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"That pretty much proves that the initial contact was with the chest, that Joel won the collision and pushed outwards and Yeaman slid down and that's when the forearm/elbow made contact with the neck. The second still is the most telling.
I imagine Joel will not face a ban and will get sending off sufficient.'"
I'd imagine you'll be wrong, feel free to quote me tomorrow. |
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"That pretty much proves that the initial contact was with the chest, that Joel won the collision and pushed outwards and Yeaman slid down and that's when the forearm/elbow made contact with the neck. The second still is the most telling.
I imagine Joel will not face a ban and will get sending off sufficient.'"
I admire your loyalty towards your resident idiot, even Ryan Bailey has never been this blatant. |
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"However, all angles have to be taken into consideration.
JT's right forearm may have, initially, made contact with Yeaman's chest, but his left hand made direct contact with his face.'"
That angle shows Yeaman at Joel's chest height, so after the initial contact and proving that he slipped down whilst making the tackle. Also the left hand makes contact with Yeaman's jaw but his fist isn't clenched.
Wire successfully got Carvell off for a charge of leading with the forearm based on the fact that he didn't clench his fists when going into the tackle claiming it proved there was no intention to injure the player with the forearm.
That picture suggests that it's Joel's left hand that makes the most contact with Yeaman rather than the elbow. |
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"That angle shows Yeaman at Joel's chest height, so after the initial contact and proving that he slipped down whilst making the tackle. Also the left hand makes contact with Yeaman's jaw but his fist isn't clenched.
Wire successfully got Carvell off for a charge of leading with the forearm based on the fact that he didn't clench his fists when going into the tackle claiming it proved there was no intention to injure the player with the forearm.
That picture suggests that it's Joel's left hand that makes the most contact with Yeaman rather than the elbow.'"
Why is Tomkins leg raised then? Maybe to gain height advantage?,Yeaman slid down , all I see is Yeamans head being knocked back by a combination of Tomkins hand and elbow. |
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Why is Tomkins leg raised then? Maybe to gain height advantage?,Yeaman slid down
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His leg is raised because he leans into the tackle to get more force behind when he pushes out. You can see it in the second still above. That picture from behind Yeaman is taken at the same moment as the final still, when Joel is pushing forwards with his left foot, so the right leg is raised for the next stride (the basic principles or walking/running/striding). |
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Joels palm of his hand makes contact with Yeamans face looking at the close up and his ball carrying arm initially makes contact with his chest. If thats a ban its absolute .
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"His leg is raised because he leans into the tackle to get more force behind when he pushes out. You can see it in the second still above. That picture from behind Yeaman is taken at the same moment as the final still, when Joel is pushing forwards with his left foot, so the right leg is raised for the next stride (the basic principles or walking/running/striding).'"
A shocking incident I hope he gets 3-4 matches. FFS people freeze framing a high speed collision. The elbow rarely if ever goes up into the face of the player like that in normal play. When it does it's because there is intent. |
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"A shocking incident I hope he gets 3-4 matches. FFS people freeze framing a high speed collision. The elbow rarely if ever goes up into the face of the player like that in normal play. When it does it's because there is intent.'"
I'm guessing you've never seen Nick Fozzard play? |
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"A shocking incident I hope he gets 3-4 matches. FFS people freeze framing a high speed collision. The elbow rarely if ever goes up into the face of the player like that in normal play. When it does it's because there is intent.'"
Yes, it makes much more sense to show a high speed collision at normal speed where it's harder to work out what actually happens because it isn't as clear or, as is the case here, it doesn't suit your argument. 
Do you remember the Sam Burgess hit on Moi Moi back in the England - NZ international a couple of years back? Burgess uses the same technique making the tackle that Joel does going into this tackle and cracks Moi Moi on the jaw. That was deemed as fair. |
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"A shocking incident I hope he gets 3-4 matches. FFS people freeze framing a high speed collision. The elbow rarely if ever goes up into the face of the player like that in normal play. When it does it's because there is intent.'"
And your calling Sam tomkins a wimp on the other thread?
If there was intent with Joels elbow to smash Yeamans face they would still be picking up the remains of him off the pitch. |
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There is a very small minority of Wigan fans on here who come out with much credit at times like this by admitting a player may have done something wrong - it's always the same, sensible people too.
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Joel was absolutely stupid and needs to learn a valuable lesson from this. He gets wound up far too easily and can be a liability at times and opposing teams know they can get to him and win penalties or in Sundays case get him sent off. He has a lot of talent but has started off this season poorly imo and needs to step up.
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He'd be one of the first names on my teamsheet EVERY Week.
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