Its irrelevant if he broke it or not. Fatty has a lot of weight and when he throws it about its gonna do damage.

He deliberatly punched someone who had no chance of getting out of the way and he gets away with it because it wasnt classed as dirty play.

Its comical

What is deemed as 'undue pressure' on the knee joint? Are they basically saying you can't tackle someone around the knee?

Regards the Cunningham incident, he was found guilty of throwing a punch but didn't mean to hit him in the eye. That's fine. Break someones jaw but state you meant to hit them in the nose.

Don't forget Sam was also guilty of telling Ganson the Saint's score.

Quote ="Fishsta"Oh for the love of God. Do I really need to do this again? www.morningstaronline.co.uk/inde ... eye_socket [iFriday 24th July Wakefield prop James Stosic is set to play in Sunday's Super League derby against Castleford despite having a fractured eye socket. Stosic suffered the injury after being struck by St Helens hooker Keiron Cunningham in the Wildcats' shock defeat of the competition leaders last week[/i www.express.co.uk/posts/view/116 ... -Bulls-run [iSaturday July 25th Wakefield prop James Stosic is set to play in Sunday’s derby against Castleford with a fractured eye socket, suffered in a clash with St Helens hooker Keiron Cunningham in the Wildcats’ shock win.[/i www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Br ... 5493450.jp [iFriday 24 July An indication of how much the game matters to all concerned can be judged by the fact that one player is defying a fractured eye socket in order to appear. Wakefield prop James Stosic suffered the injury after being struck by St Helens hooker Keiron Cunningham in the Wildcats' stunning defeat of the leaders but coach John Kear insists the 27-year-old will be fit to face the Tigers at Belle Vue. Kear said: "These things happen. The specialist has said he won't damage it any further so he'll get his shirt and his boots on and get out there. They play with worse than that!"[/i sport.aol.co.uk/rugby-league/sto ... y%20League [iSaturday 25th July Wakefield prop James Stosic is set to play in Sunday's engage Super League derby against Castleford despite a fractured eye socket. Stosic suffered the injury after being struck by St Helens hooker Keiron Cunningham in the Wildcats' shock defeat of the competition leaders last week. [/i www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/ma ... 15,00.html YES, THAT'S RIGHT, SKY SPORTS OF ALL PEOPLE [i26th July[/i [iTony Martin (shoulder) is certainly sidelined but James Stosic should feature despite suffering a fractured eye socket in an incident with Saints hooker Keiron Cunningham.[/i www.therfl.co.uk/home/news_item.php?id=14794 OH, BLOODY HELL, EVEN THE RFL GOT IT WRONG! [iWakefield Wildcats prop James Stosic is set to play in Sunday's engage Super League derby against Castleford Tigers despite fractured eye socket. Stosic suffered the injury after being struck by St Helens hooker Keiron Cunningham in the Wildcats' shock defeat of the competition leaders last week.[/i You know what, you're right. He didn't have a fractured eye socket at all. Everybody just made it up. I got all these media folk AND the RFL involved. They only wanted a few copies of Top Gear I recorded off Dave on Freeview, and they said they'd join in and mislead everyone. Even Stosic himself. You plonker, Rodney!'" Which is all very nice, but try reading the press release from the club he plays for after they received the results of his scan, you moron. [urlhttp://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/injury-update-i605926.html[/url Apology accepted.

Quote ="Fishsta"Oh for the love of God. Do I really need to do this again? www.morningstaronline.co.uk/inde ... eye_socket [iFriday 24th July Wakefield prop James Stosic is set to play in Sunday's Super League derby against Castleford despite having a fractured eye socket. Stosic suffered the injury after being struck by St Helens hooker Keiron Cunningham in the Wildcats' shock defeat of the competition leaders last week[/i www.express.co.uk/posts/view/116 ... -Bulls-run [iSaturday July 25th Wakefield prop James Stosic is set to play in Sunday’s derby against Castleford with a fractured eye socket, suffered in a clash with St Helens hooker Keiron Cunningham in the Wildcats’ shock win.[/i www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Br ... 5493450.jp [iFriday 24 July An indication of how much the game matters to all concerned can be judged by the fact that one player is defying a fractured eye socket in order to appear. Wakefield prop James Stosic suffered the injury after being struck by St Helens hooker Keiron Cunningham in the Wildcats' stunning defeat of the leaders but coach John Kear insists the 27-year-old will be fit to face the Tigers at Belle Vue. Kear said: "These things happen. The specialist has said he won't damage it any further so he'll get his shirt and his boots on and get out there. They play with worse than that!"[/i sport.aol.co.uk/rugby-league/sto ... y%20League [iSaturday 25th July Wakefield prop James Stosic is set to play in Sunday's engage Super League derby against Castleford despite a fractured eye socket. Stosic suffered the injury after being struck by St Helens hooker Keiron Cunningham in the Wildcats' shock defeat of the competition leaders last week. [/i www.skysports.com/rugbyleague/ma ... 15,00.html YES, THAT'S RIGHT, SKY SPORTS OF ALL PEOPLE [i26th July[/i [iTony Martin (shoulder) is certainly sidelined but James Stosic should feature despite suffering a fractured eye socket in an incident with Saints hooker Keiron Cunningham.[/i www.therfl.co.uk/home/news_item.php?id=14794 OH, BLOODY HELL, EVEN THE RFL GOT IT WRONG! [iWakefield Wildcats prop James Stosic is set to play in Sunday's engage Super League derby against Castleford Tigers despite fractured eye socket. Stosic suffered the injury after being struck by St Helens hooker Keiron Cunningham in the Wildcats' shock defeat of the competition leaders last week.[/i You know what, you're right. He didn't have a fractured eye socket at all. Everybody just made it up. I got all these media folk AND the RFL involved. They only wanted a few copies of Top Gear I recorded off Dave on Freeview, and they said they'd join in and mislead everyone. Even Stosic himself. You plonker, Rodney!'" Which is all very nice, but try reading the press release from the club he plays for after they received the results of his scan, you moron. [urlhttp://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/injury-update-i605926.html[/url Apology accepted.

No, YOU try reading it. I'll highlight the part you need to understand.

[iInjury Update
Wakefield prop James Stosic has not [ubroken[/u his eye socket as was first feared following Friday’s win at St. Helens.[/i

Whilst the medical world doesn't necessarily differentiate, the "generally accepted" terms used do. A break is understood to be a more severe fracture, usually at the point where a fracture is considered to be compounded and bones actually separate.

Also note the dates. All the articles above I quoted were issued around the 24th/25th. The Wakefield article you quote was issued on the 20th. Between those dates, Stosic attended a specialist, and as John Kear relays to the media, "[iThese things happen. The specialist has said he won't damage it any further so he'll get his shirt and his boots on and get out there. They play with worse than that![/i"

Wakefield issued that statement to the relief of their fans, and, to be fair to them, for the RFL's benefit in deciding to let Cunningham get away with another cowardly act of thuggish violence.

If it HAD been BROKEN, that would probably have been the end of Stosic's season.

If the saints fan had their way, there'd be no tackling around the knees and no kicking the ball out of play, if the opposition is in contention for it. Of course until the saints players do it, then it's all fine and dandy.

This is true, he should've done it and it was a cheap shot

Its just amusing when people keep saying it was fractured when no official wakefield statement says it was. Fishta even pm'd me last night several times but still can't show me where wake have said it was fractured



but as you say the level of injury is not important, the intent is, which i was very disappointed with from KC.

I heard he broke it then it was dismissed by the club later on in the week to my knowledge.

Like you said its the intent not the damage but its gone now.

ive seen cunningham offload a number of times over the years in similar positions and the ref hadnt called held,so the tackle by sam was ok unlike what cunningham got found not guilty of v wakefield a few weeks ago

I think you should read the press release again, instead of believing what you want to believe.
According to the press he did not have a broken eye socket and there is no, repeat no confirmation that he has fractured it either.

Nothing wrong with tomkins's tackle and at the end of the day if hes injured cunningham its a bit of good Kama in my opinion for a player who should have been banned anyway for his own $h1thouse tactics the week before!

Are you Boy George?

Karma FFS!!

How come you weren't at the FF tonight.

IL talked about "fans" like you I believe.

I remember last season when my lad was at a warriors summer camp and was made to sit out for tackling "too hard". I thought that was as ludicrous as rugby could get but I was wrong!

Nowt wrong with Sam's tackle - we see it every week and every game from every team!

All I can imagine is that Cunningham has got some photo evidence stashed somewhere, I mean what else is he going to get away with, whilst being "protected" in this way?????

According to the press, he DOES have a fractured eye socket, see the quotes above. Those quotes come from the media who would have taken them from a Wakefield statement / press release.

So, carry on being obtuse about it if you like. You're only making yourselves look silly.

So despite a Wakefield press release saying there was no break and him being cleared to play a week in advance of his next game, then playing in it, you maintain that his eye socket was fractured.

I like you, you're funny.

So two weeks since the incident you still can't find a single official wakey statement saying it was fractured? Give up

Quote ="Fishsta"No, YOU try reading it. I'll highlight the part you need to understand. [iInjury Update Wakefield prop James Stosic has not [ubroken[/u his eye socket as was first feared following Friday’s win at St. Helens.[/i Whilst the medical world doesn't necessarily differentiate, the "generally accepted" terms used do. A break is understood to be a more severe fracture, usually at the point where a fracture is considered to be compounded and bones actually separate. Also note the dates. All the articles above I quoted were issued around the 24th/25th. The Wakefield article you quote was issued on the 20th. Between those dates, Stosic attended a specialist, and as John Kear relays to the media, "[iThese things happen. The specialist has said he won't damage it any further so he'll get his shirt and his boots on and get out there. They play with worse than that![/i" Wakefield issued that statement to the relief of their fans, and, to be fair to them, for the RFL's benefit in deciding to let Cunningham get away with another cowardly act of thuggish violence. If it HAD been BROKEN, that would probably have been the end of Stosic's season.'" www.medterms.com/script/main/art ... lekey=8083 accepted by whom, i'm a nurse who works in A&E a break is a fracture is a break,a compound fracture is where it breaks the skin, nowt to do with seperating from itself. different types of fractue, compound greenstick etc yes, but the theory you have put forward is bumkum, oh and the tackle on cunningham was naughty to say the least. i

Quote ="Fishsta"No, YOU try reading it. I'll highlight the part you need to understand. [iInjury Update Wakefield prop James Stosic has not [ubroken[/u his eye socket as was first feared following Friday’s win at St. Helens.[/i Whilst the medical world doesn't necessarily differentiate, the "generally accepted" terms used do. A break is understood to be a more severe fracture, usually at the point where a fracture is considered to be compounded and bones actually separate. Also note the dates. All the articles above I quoted were issued around the 24th/25th. The Wakefield article you quote was issued on the 20th. Between those dates, Stosic attended a specialist, and as John Kear relays to the media, "[iThese things happen. The specialist has said he won't damage it any further so he'll get his shirt and his boots on and get out there. They play with worse than that![/i" Wakefield issued that statement to the relief of their fans, and, to be fair to them, for the RFL's benefit in deciding to let Cunningham get away with another cowardly act of thuggish violence. If it HAD been BROKEN, that would probably have been the end of Stosic's season.'" www.medterms.com/script/main/art ... lekey=8083 accepted by whom, i'm a nurse who works in A&E a break is a fracture is a break,a compound fracture is where it breaks the skin, nowt to do with seperating from itself. different types of fractue, compound greenstick etc yes, but the theory you have put forward is bumkum, oh and the tackle on cunningham was naughty to say the least. i

oh, and if any one does fracture their zygomatic arch, it very rarely seperates from anything it just ussually show a crack or fisure on the x ray!


admit your wrong when your wrong!

Don't you sometimes wish the internet had never been born? Can't we please put this to bed now?

KC's views:

“I know a lot has been said of the incident and I did speak to Sam [Tomkins at half time and after the game. He is a young kid and plays the game tough and fair. He saw the opportunity to make the tackle and unfortunately it didn’t agree with my knee!"

[urlhttp://www.saintsrlfc.com/news/1980[/url

There seems to be a train of thought that KC is a dirty player - having played in the front row for as long as he has, he most certainly falls into the tough but fair category - alongside Sam in his opinion.

Always good to hear fellow pros with respect for each other in what is a brutal sport.

So even kfc doesn't have a problem with it. Will the saints fans drop it now?

And that is that.

If people want to carry on the discussion about the Cunningham jab, then they can do so on the Saints or Wakey forum.