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| Quote ="NSW"Fair play for them for fronting up.
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Stadium situation with the new owners
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Is the full salary cap being spent
What is Danson’s role at the club
Financial position of the club
How long does IL think he’ll be active as the chairman
Do they both understand how difficult it has been being a Wigan fan the last few years?'"
If he hasn’t been already, why hasn’t Adrian Lam been sacked
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| Quote ="hengirl"Depends on the questions full it full of yes men then it’s a fairly pointless exercise'"
Are you going to go?
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| Quote ="hengirl"Depends on the questions full it full of yes men then it’s a fairly pointless exercise'"
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Potentially'"
You’re right there. If it’s like the last one it’ll be an old fella going on about wanting a reserved seat in the South Stand for half an hour.
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| Do the 120 get selected on their ability to ask "easy" questions, or do those who are prepared to ask challenging questions also in attendance?
If its the latter, then could someone please ask as to why George Williams was allowed to walk away from a legally binding agreement for free?
Could they also ask as to how long our current agreement to use the DW runs for, and can any amendment be made to the agreement before that date without the say so of both parties (ie can the owner increase the rent without our agreement)
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Do the 120 get selected on their ability to ask "easy" questions, or do those who are prepared to ask challenging questions also in attendance?
If its the latter, then could someone please ask as to why George Williams was allowed to walk away from a legally binding agreement for free?
Could they also ask as to how long our current agreement to use the DW runs for, and can any amendment be made to the agreement before that date without the say so of both parties (ie can the owner increase the rent without our agreement)'"
It would probably be better to ask "What is the point in inserting these first refusals which are legally binding if we aren't going to hold players accountable and its just going to result in a bidding war."
What scenarios occur where they're actually worthwhile?
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Do the 120 get selected on their ability to ask "easy" questions, or do those who are prepared to ask challenging questions also in attendance?
If its the latter, then could someone please ask as to why George Williams was allowed to walk away from a legally binding agreement for free?
Could they also ask as to how long our current agreement to use the DW runs for, and can any amendment be made to the agreement before that date without the say so of both parties (ie can the owner increase the rent without our agreement)'"
Who's saying they are being selected? As far as I can see it's the first come first served from 10 a.m. tomorrow morning.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Do the 120 get selected on their ability to ask "easy" questions, or do those who are prepared to ask challenging questions also in attendance?
If its the latter, then could someone please ask as to why George Williams was allowed to walk away from a legally binding agreement for free?'"
Already told us [urlhttps://wiganwarriors.com/blog/2021/06/18/club-statement-george-williams/[/url
Quote ="muttywhitedog"Could they also ask as to how long our current agreement to use the DW runs for, and can any amendment be made to the agreement before that date without the say so of both parties (ie can the owner increase the rent without our agreement)'"
Something like this gets asked every time they run one. The response is always along these lines - mutually beneficial for both clubs to work together. [urlhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/ian-lenagan-on-wigan-athletic-involvement-hopes-and-plans-for-future-3160135%3famp[/url
I get that you might not like those answers but there's no point asking a question IL has already made a recent statement about, he will just repeat the same thing and burn valuable time.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Could they also ask as to how long our current agreement to use the DW runs for, and can any amendment be made to the agreement before that date without the say so of both parties (ie can the owner increase the rent without our agreement)'"
The same as it was last time it was renewed but it's irrelevant really because without the council say so no owner can evict us. It's until about 2055 though I think.
They can however, charge us what they want and we can choose to walk away if we wish but the council probably won't be too happy about that and I very much doubt we would be building (or developing) any other stadium within the town.
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| I'd like to know:
- What financial state is the club in post COVID? Are we at a point where it is impacting our ability to spend the full cap and compete for top marquee players?
- Our best players routinely leave their contracts early for the NRL, and it now appears less certain that we will even have first choice when they do return to SL. Will the club do anything different going forward in this regard?
- Most top positions at the club are filled by Wiganers, even more so next season according to rumours. Are we really doing everything we can to recruit the most talented staff for each position, and is there a danger we are missing out on good people/ideas from outside the town?
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| I’m on holiday next week . Could somebody ask if pies will be cheaper (and warmer ) at The Reebok please ?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"I'd like to know:
- What financial state is the club in post COVID? Are we at a point where it is impacting our ability to spend the full cap and compete for top marquee players?
- Our best players routinely leave their contracts early for the NRL, and it now appears less certain that we will even have first choice when they do return to SL. Will the club do anything different going forward in this regard?
- Moat top positions at the club are filled by Wiganers, even more so next season according to rumours. Are we really doing everything we can to recruit the most talented staff for each position, and is there a danger we are missing out on good people/ideas from outside the town?'"
1st 2 good points, point 3 is similar to when wane was here as we lost him and bitcon both wiganers, does stink of jobs for the boys, I thought they were going away from it when they got rid of Paul Johnson but guess not
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| A question about the George Burgess signing would be interesting…who on earth carried out his medical?
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"I hope that you are wrong but from what I’ve read on here previously and your response it could be a possibility however, I genuinely believe that as a club we really are at a major crossroads in the history of the club and that he agenda/topics will reflect this.
I did think that they may invite some fans who they trust to ask pertinent questions to reduce the possibility of inane questioning. Not “plants” for any easy ride but people who they know will ask challenging questions. I’d like to think Jukes and NickyKiss would be great invitees at such an event. Passionate fans but with a strong pragmatic approach.
If I was IL I’d like to be really challenged and hear exactly what fans are thinking'"
I'll be doing my best to get a ticket, ill let you know if I get one tomorrow
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Are you going to go?'"
Is love too but work set days and don’t finish till 8pm (I’ve had to take a couple of hours holidays for tonight’s game)but if they want to hold it back to 9pm I’ll be there otherwise I’ll email a couple of questions to them and hope they don’t get used as they’ve been asked in the room.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"I'd like to know:
- What financial state is the club in post COVID? Are we at a point where it is impacting our ability to spend the full cap and compete for top marquee players?
[i[u- Our best players routinely leave their contracts early for the NRL, and it now appears less certain that we will even have first choice when they do return to SL. Will the club do anything different going forward in this regard?[/u[/i
- Most top positions at the club are filled by Wiganers, even more so next season according to rumours. Are we really doing everything we can to recruit the most talented staff for each position, and is there a danger we are missing out on good people/ideas from outside the town?'"
i've just posted something similar about this in the rumour section
why offer a 4-5 year contract if we know there is no chance of it being honoured by the player, unless it is a short term revenue from transfer fee and that is the pure reason for the length of contract
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| Quote ="The pieman"i've just posted something similar about this in the rumour section
why offer a 4-5 year contract if we know there is no chance of it being honoured by the player, unless it is a short term revenue from transfer fee and that is the pure reason for the length of contract'"
I think it's because the players hold all the power. If the club don't offer them a long contract, then they might go elsewhere. Sadly, the only way it will be honoured in full is if the player doesn't play well enough to attract NRL interest, or gets injured. There might be little the club can do about the situation, I would just be interested to know whether anything will change following Bateman's comments on his way out and the Williams situation. Maybe they will hold players to their contracts more often, demand more in transfer fees, or put tighter contracts in place to ensure we get right if first refusal if they return to SL. I get that ideally we don't want players who don't want to be here, but we do seem to be a really soft touch.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"I'll be doing my best to get a ticket, ill let you know if I get one tomorrow'"
I hope that you are successful. Personally I feel that they should be inviting people like yourself and other "influencers" from say Twitter and most definitely Phil Wilkinson. If they get this forum "wrong" they will be causing more damage than actually re-assuring dejected fans.
I believe that questions have to be submitted in advance which to a degree I can understand to avoid the "how many shredded wheat can Tony Clubb eat for his breakfast" type questions but it can also lead to questions being "selected" to potentially avoid any "difficult" questions.
I'd be asking why are they holding the forum next week (i.e. timing significance if any) and what are the objectives of holding the forum.
At the end of forum they can then ask attendees if the objectives have been achieved.
I am disappointed in the extreme that the forum will not be shown on Wigan Tv
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Already told us [urlhttps://wiganwarriors.com/blog/2021/06/18/club-statement-george-williams/[/url
Something like this gets asked every time they run one. The response is always along these lines - mutually beneficial for both clubs to work together. [urlhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/ian-lenagan-on-wigan-athletic-involvement-hopes-and-plans-for-future-3160135%3famp[/url
I get that you might not like those answers but there's no point asking a question IL has already made a recent statement about, he will just repeat the same thing and burn valuable time.'"
Thanks, but these are general statements. My questions were specifically why GW was allowed to sign for Warrington for free and whether the owner of the DW can arbitarily up the rent.
I keep hearing how short of cash we are etc, but when an opportunity to get some compo from Warrington came about, we appear to have rolled over and let them tickle our bellies.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"I hope that you are successful. Personally I feel that they should be inviting people like yourself and other "influencers" from say Twitter and most definitely Phil Wilkinson. If they get this forum "wrong" they will be causing more damage than actually re-assuring dejected fans.
I believe that questions have to be submitted in advance which to a degree I can understand to avoid the "how many shredded wheat can Tony Clubb eat for his breakfast" type questions but it can also lead to questions being "selected" to potentially avoid any "difficult" questions.
I'd be asking why are they holding the forum next week (i.e. timing significance if any) and what are the objectives of holding the forum.
At the end of forum they can then ask attendees if the objectives have been achieved.
I am disappointed in the extreme that the forum will not be shown on Wigan Tv'"
Tickets sorted
Influencers!!!!
Ha ha
At the last one beginning of 2020 I didn't ask a question in the forum, but to be honest the amount of absolutely shocking questions he was getting was unbearable.
People just giving isolated Instances of their experience buying a ticket, or getting a car park pass. And ill be honest, 80% of their statements were false (one guy complaining that his daughter who was 17 or 18 having to pay full price or 240 or summat for a season ticket in East stand, absolute bollox as my Lds were 21 and 17 at the time and they got season tickets for about 140 and 110 for example).
People just complaining
What i did do though (along with 2 others who I went with) was speak to him on a one to one basis whilst the video presentation was being presented to the audience (we couldn't be d sitting down so we stood at the back of the room where the video equipment was and IL went to the back of the room while it was on).
We had 5minutes chatting, and i/we said a few things, and then when it concluded his sister came over and we chatted to her for 5minutes and IL came over again.
Very interesting 10mins or so.
Dont agree with everything he said, and in light of the current situation he may reflect differently on a few things, but, and thisis what i think most people don't do, I would with hindsight admit I would look at things differently. I'm not in public going to go into some of the things I said or his replies.
But let's be honest, with Covid and the Latics=stadium situation the last 18months have been rather difficult
I'll say it again, last 3 seasons ask supporters their expectations of league position and most would have said top 3 on each of last 3years, most would have expected us to win something.
That says to me recruitment and squad isn't as bad as it is currently performing (and imo has been for 3 years)
I accept there are some glaring ones (the Tony club 2yr extension, mitch Clarke as of your not going to play him why sign him etc) but overall Lam has the tools.
I think the catalyst to all of this is the Edwards debacle, because without that we wouldnt have Lam (and I do have a bit of sympathy with Lam in that this isn't what he expected).
But
It was ILs job to get the Edwards thing over the line, he didn't
It was ILs decision to stick with Lam
And I think he got both wrong
I have no idea how you get selected for questions, if anyone does let me know
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Tickets sorted
Influencers!!!!
Ha ha
At the last one beginning of 2020 I didn't ask a question in the forum, but to be honest the amount of absolutely shocking questions he was getting was unbearable.
People just giving isolated Instances of their experience buying a ticket, or getting a car park pass. And ill be honest, 80% of their statements were false (one guy complaining that his daughter who was 17 or 18 having to pay full price or 240 or summat for a season ticket in East stand, absolute bollox as my Lds were 21 and 17 at the time and they got season tickets for about 140 and 110 for example).
People just complaining
What i did do though (along with 2 others who I went with) was speak to him on a one to one basis whilst the video presentation was being presented to the audience (we couldn't be d sitting down so we stood at the back of the room where the video equipment was and IL went to the back of the room while it was on).
We had 5minutes chatting, and i/we said a few things, and then when it concluded his sister came over and we chatted to her for 5minutes and IL came over again.
Very interesting 10mins or so.
Dont agree with everything he said, and in light of the current situation he may reflect differently on a few things, but, and thisis what i think most people don't do, I would with hindsight admit I would look at things differently. I'm not in public going to go into some of the things I said or his replies.
But let's be honest, with Covid and the Latics=stadium situation the last 18months have been rather difficult
I'll say it again, last 3 seasons ask supporters their expectations of league position and most would have said top 3 on each of last 3years, most would have expected us to win something.
That says to me recruitment and squad isn't as bad as it is currently performing (and imo has been for 3 years)
I accept there are some glaring ones (the Tony club 2yr extension, mitch Clarke as of your not going to play him why sign him etc) but overall Lam has the tools.
I think the catalyst to all of this is the Edwards debacle, because without that we wouldnt have Lam (and I do have a bit of sympathy with Lam in that this isn't what he expected).
But
It was ILs job to get the Edwards thing over the line, he didn't
It was ILs decision to stick with Lam
And I think he got both wrong
I have no idea how you get selected for questions, if anyone does let me know'"
I did say "influencers"!!
The last 3 years for me seem to have been "wasted". I know COVID has had never seen before repercussions but we just seem to be drifting with seemingly no direction from the top. I've got genuine sympathy for IL & KR in that pressures and strains on the business must be almost unbearable at times however, they are the guys at the helm and they either steer us into calmer waters (easier said than done), they step aside or bring in new blood to help regenerate the club (again maybe easier said than done).
Like yourself I wasn't convinced about Lam from very early on however, to be fair to the guy if someone continues to pay you a decent wedge why would he "walk away" from a role where he is obviously struggling. For me IL should have acted at the end of his first season.
I have major worries about the stability of the club with the new owners of the stadium being at the top of the list. I would even put up Lam for another year if it meant the potential massive increase in rent being speculated was eliminated.
I was very upbeat when the forum was announced however, as I've stated on a previous post if they are not careful they will make the situation worse.
In hindsight maybe I'd rather IL and KR be interviewed by Phil Wilkinson with "no subject off the table" to try ensure that fans get a totally transparent view on what is actually happening and what plans are in place. Hopefully the forum will be followed up by such an interview to be shown on Wigan TV.
I find the omission of Wigan TV as being an integral part of the forum totally baffling.
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| Quote ="Trainman"I think it would be a huge gamble to put it live on Wigan TV. The chances of a handful of idiots being in the audience is quite high.
I would hope that it can be shown there after the event with anything particularly nasty or unsuitable edited out.'"
Kind of see your point but there’s idiots everywhere. You’d like to think they’d be a rarity at a fans forum. I still think it should be on Wigan TV but happy for highlights or a re run after the fact
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| Quote ="MattyB"IL & KR will need bullet proof vests, Cas away to come yet.'"
My eldest said that there were few tickets left this afternoon.
Is the apathy at such levels that people can’t even be d to verbally raise their concerns?
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