Don't shoot the messenger

No, no I'm not!

No way can anybody defend that garbage, absolutely gutted the match was moved to Thursday, if it had been on Friday I'd have fortunately been at work.

deffo 11500 on i can judge that crowd to 500 every game, no point taking the two we gain nothing apart from sending some fans home slightly happier, agree though absolute rubbish attack if i here anybody knock smith again i will knock them out, he would have pulled us through that game for sure.

I'm happy. The Series Link hasn't worked on my Tivo Box.

Laugh or cry time. Laugh because with all of our modern technology we cannot see a try given on a blatant forward pass and another when the offside man collected the ball but was so wide that he did not appear on the only replay that could have proved the point. I was in line with both an they should have been pretty easy to spot. Cry because we were so bad that we did not deserve to be in with a chance because we had no clue. Sam looked shot and I could not work out who played in the pivot roles but it looked for much of the game that TT had taken the stand off position as the player who was feeding our runners. It is dispiriting to see Shorrocks trying to force something when the more senior players must step up.
I did hear a very interesting explanation from a Widnes fan as to why Sam should have been sent off for some heinous infringement but six high tackles in quick succession was fine. I would have liked to say something to counter that but at the end of the day we did not win and they get to gloat.

Turgid rugby. I don't think we are the worst Wigan team I've seen, but definitely the most boring. Can't comprehend what they must do at training in terms of attack.

Widnes were tenacious and played with heaps of effort and desire. They deserved the win. I'm sorry to say that wigans arrogance is costing them. I'm not just talking about not taking the two points either. Wanes reactions are rubbing off on the players- Whenever Wigan win he's rightly full of praise for the players, however whenever Wigan lose Wanes reaction in front of the cameras is cringeworthy. There's always some excuse-illness, injury, disruption, officials....... If he just said, the other team played better than us -end of, then perhaps the Wigan team wouldn't believe it's not their fault....

I think it's time for Wigan to "freshen up" on the coaching front. Give the players some interest and challenge back.
The players look stale and they do not look to be enjoying their rugby....

Thanks for another of your balanced reviews shaun. Do you feel under pressure?

I actually fell asleep on the sofa watching the game last night......

I think Wane is doing a great job. Yes, the attack is robotic and ultra predictable I know, but whilst all the other teams can read it with no prob, even with 11 men, he is working on his new attack system which will develop the excellent wrestle they now practise to wrestle their way all the way down the pitch. Now dint ask me how it'll work but they practise it non stop and soon all will be revealed. It's not about power and speed anymore. Predictability, slow ruck, wrestlemania and just not respecting any opposition is the way forward. Wigan will come through , Widnes guts , skill and speed and self belief will mean nothing. Apart from 2 points and winning pay last night. Don't change a thing Wigan.....we're loving it.

Should have taken the draw. If Hull lose against Saints and then Wigan beat Hull next week then Wigan would have gone top. Silly not to take the two. A point could have negated the points difference. Now we are still 3 points off top.

One point would have guaranteed a place in the GF play offs making the decision not to take the two points even more stupid. The way we are playing at the moment I can see Saints and Catalan overtaking us.

I hope they do overtake us just so this season ends quicker. But no doubt we will fluke a semi final win and lose another GF.

Who are you all blaming because you usual scapegoat Matty Smith wasn't playing? Looked utterly lost and clueless without his organising and your kicking game was well below par. I like George Williams but IMO a halfback need the right balance of taking the line of and just getting rid. I think Williams takes the line on just a bit too much.

If he had some support he might pass more. Everything we play is 1 out rugby.

Matty Smith is still a Wigan player therefore it is ALWAYS his fault. You must be new round here.......

No one from the coach down can take anything positive out that truly awful performance (one of the worst I have seen in a very long time from the point of view of basic rugby skills/tactics). Something is very wrong, the players look shot - have absolutely no ideas on how to play basic attacking rugby and the coaching staff seem unable to change it.

Players are going backwards at a huge rate on knots in their game management, even the more experienced players look lost or just plain drifting and going through the motions.

Something needs to change and I am now starting to think that the coaching position is the prime candidate, at the very least a major shake up is needed (assistant coach for attacking/backs from OUTSIDE the club is the very minimum - not another internal or jobs for the boys appointment). Wane is/should be on very thin ice right now if the Chairman has any sense - or interest which is looking more like the case - when did anyone last hear anything from him?

I asked on Twitter last night if Mr Lenagan was bothered, his son answered and said more than I will ever know,maybe something will happen soon!

To be honest, this Wigan side is the worst I've seen since Agent Millward. I preferred Brian Nobles Wigan playing style to this utter tosh we are getting week in week out. I've never been so bored watching Wigan this season, I've left games early, I've flicked over the channel and I've preferred to watch Warrington more than Wigan. Bloody Warrington.

Wane is deluded, he's living in a fantasy land when he tries to say "a team full of Wiganers would be the best for this club". If you want a team full of Wiganers, go to Wigan St Pats, St Jude's etc.

His signings have been poor, selections questionable and style of play less entertaining than England RU. He is persisting with deadwood (Mossop, Smith, J Tomkins, Sarginson, Tautai) and is either too stubborn or too deluded to say potential fantastic signings available which we have missed in recent seasons such as Ashton Sims. He released Jack Hughes who at the time needed to improve parts of his game but his potential was clear and under a good coach in Tony Smith is starting to realise it.

Crowds are down, enthusiasm for the team is at an all time low and he players look like they don't want to play for him. How else can you explain the sheer lack of grit and determination this season? The 25-0 win over Saints masked over the cracks, I didn't even "celebrate" it as I still thought it wasn't a great performance by Wigan, maybe that's my anti Wane stance coming out there.

Wane MUST go. The squad is terrible, style of play awful and overall that's down to him.

This.^^^
I even switched channels to watch the England vs Pakistan 1 day cricket, so dire was the Wigan offering
Now there's a team that's gone from upwards at a rate of knots in the world rankings since a new (Australian) coach appointed.

100% Wigan is 100% right about Jack Hughes. In my opinion, the same - only more so - applies to Ryan Hampshire. He and George Williams have been excellent together all through the junior ranks and internationals. They have never had a proper chance to partner at first-team level, and with good coaching they could have been the new Edwards and Gregory.

John like yourself I have decided not to use my ST until the end of the season but not just because of SW but because we have a large number of players who lack basic RL skills e.g. Sarginson & Gelling. Players who have no real position so have no key critical skills for the roles they are asked to play e.g. Powell and Tierney. Players that are physically too small e.g. Isa, Bateman and Farrell backrow. Forwards who are pretty useless e.g.Mossop & Crosby. Players who are vastly overrated e.g. Flower, MM, Smith & JT. Players that are busted e.g. SOL - hopefully ST will not fall into this category.
Sprinkle that with lack of fitness, no aggression and zero intensity we are on the back foot before we get to the coach.

I've been saying for a while it's more than the coach that is problem. The biggest problems are the woeful lack of quality in the squad, lack of physicality in the forwards to make hard yards and the exceptional poor levels of fitness
I've just listed the majority of our starting 17 and with exception of Bateman and Farrell if the rest left tomorrow I wouldn't give a fishes tit but for me you still cannot play Farrell & Bateman together in the backrow
KR and IL are as culpable as SW in bringing this shambles of forwards who can't make yards, half backs with such poor hands and backs who can't pass. If SW goes then KR for me must also go.
The club could give me a ST for next season even if was for free and as much ale as I could sup each game I'd still pass. The quality for the last 3 seasons has been so gut churningly awful it has sucked the love of the game out of me. It will take a lot more than some new coach coming in to get me through the turnstiles next season irrespective of who that could be.

It's sad to hear long-time supporters talk like that, even though I don't disagree with much of what you say. I will say that Faz and Bateman are in my book two of the best players in our squad. if Bateman is considered too small for the pack, then play him in the centres; he's certainly better there than most of our 'proper' centres. But yes, a good clear-out is needed.

Get yourself a subscription to the NRL games, Itchy. It's not all great, but some of the sides (the Panthers. Eels and Tigers spring to mind) do play some entertaining footy.

Nail on the head with this