Where do I start with this.

Firstly where have I said Goulding is a bad player? If you actually read this back all i have said he is a player who in first grade has struggled positionally in defence and it is something he has worked on but still has trouble with.

Secondly for some reason you were the one to start slating Pryce in this thread, without full knowledge of the facts, hence you stated if Goulding had struggled in defence he would have been dropped because of it....which he already had been.

Next Pryce has been out of action for over 2 years with injury, he has been playing in the reserves to find condition, confidence and form.

Next if Pryce plays tomorrow over Goulding will you accept you are wrong? I will if it is the other way round assuming both are fit.

Ainscough was fully fit when Pryce was selected ahead of him.

Pryce has played a handful of games in over 2 years. Richards and Roberts are experienced NRL superstars there is no point in comparing just as there is no point in comparing Goulding with them.

Some of my fellow Wigan fans do think Goulding should play ahead of Pryce, but most on here do not so if that is what you base the success of your debate on then it is at the moment about 10 to 1 against you.

The only reason you have given for why a team may attack one side is because they naturally attack to the left, that is all you have offered, in response I have stated in the pro game they can naturally pass both ways and the coach and play makers dictate where the emphasis of attack is, which is at the weak link, not because players can only pass to the left. (schoolboy analysis at its best).

I appreciate that if wingers get skinned it is not always their fault the slide is reliant on the inside push, but what is crucial is even when the inside push has been good Goulding has been caught out on occasion.

As for Gouldings time at Salford i am confident I know more about what your coaching staff felt about his time there and hit ability than you.

I will tell you what Cherry, lets see who plays tomorrow if Amos is fit.

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Mostly a great coach will play based on their opposition mate, not their 'strongest side'. That's why they spend countless hours on video analysis of the opposition, not to just ship the ball to their 'strongest side' regardless.

Of course, but that's what's why I said "to some extent". It's noticeable that Madge (rather more than other coaches) plays to our own strengths, while of course taking into account opponent's weaknesses.

Pre-Madge, as I pointed out, by far the most of our attacks went down the left (even more so when Hock was still with us). If your theory was true, it would indicate that practically every club in SL had a weaker right-side defence, which I don't believe is the case. We weren't attacking weaknesses, we were playing to our strengths.

Now, with the addition of Gleeson, and the improvements in Roberts & Goulding, we have a much more balanced attacking strength, which is why we're pretty much equallly split left/right. Again, if your theory were true, that right-side success would be a result of practically all SL clubs suddenly having weaker left side defences.

That's why i used the words, 'a great coach'

I don't feel we had a 'great coach' last season. So we didn't target opponents weaknesses as well as we do now, once we lost hock, we started to even things up a bit more as obviously the coach of the time felt it wasn't as clear cut which was our strongest side.

We absolutely definitely target weaknesses in the opponents side and don't just make it up off the cuff each match, nor do we follow the same patterns of play each and every match.

I'm really not sure what you're getting at tbh, you feel it's mainly 'strongest side', I feel it's at least equally opponents weaknesses (as a great coach tries to build a pretty side balanced squad to give him options)

Good point; neither do I!



Fair enough, I'd be happy to accept "equally"!



The original point I was debating was the reason sides were attacking our right, which some posters were trying to make out was all down to our defence, and nothing to do with their attacking strengths.

How can you possibly say Pryce has been more consistent when he has only played four games two of which were against poor opposition? Until he has played as many games as Goulding you can't say anything of the sort. Four games and consistency do not go together at all.

I am not having a pop at Pryce by the way but saying he has "shown more consistency and less weakness in his defensive play" on the back of four games one against an NL1 side and including the Crusaders is putting him on an unrealistic pedestal.

Dave

I dont know about anybody else but i have missed Cliffords team news updates.

Any News Clifford?

after a small warning last week I am a bit apprehensive to say!! All I will say is there are a couple of surprises! One which will be welcomed, the other I am not sure.

If anyone reads the other board then they will already know that Feka has been dropped as he is friends with someone who posts on there - so I am not telling you anything you dont know there. If you remember last week I posted that someone had been included in the team but couldnt play due to paperwork. Well he is possibly playing !!

Hope this doesnt offend anyone

I'll take it that Pryce and Roberts are playing then?

Beat me to it. Was just going to ask that.

ooo so we have finally signed inglis then

yes Inglis is on the bench , with Bailey, Cronk and Smith. Bit of a gamble but in Madge we trust hey??



One thing I will say is that the team never seems to be set in stone until they get on the pitch. Lots of things have changed last minute in previous games which in a way shows the depth we have got. So despite what I put it may not be the same come kick off.

Thats amos playing, Feca dropped and Chris Tuson on the bench.

Tuson has proved at Cas he has the heart of a lion and will tackle like his life depends on it. The cas fans are pretty gutted they have been unable to kepp him for the rest of the season. He wont let anyone down and i am glad to see he has got his chance.

Thanks for the info clifford, most of us fans really appreciate the bit of team news you bring.

unfortunately the club doesn't

then they need to address these issues on the other board first where people are putting word for word what comes out of players and madges mouth. I dont do this.

Do you know people at the club then - pm me and tell me who has a problem with my posts . I did some digging this week and nobody seems to have a problem. Its not rocket science to guess who is playing too. Get a life .

Heard that Amos is starting on the Wing

Done some digging too! You should hide your IP better!!

Roberts
Pryce
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
Tomkins
Leuluai
Fielden
Riddell
Coley
Bailey
Tomkins
Lockers

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McIlorum
Prescott
Farrell
Tuson

A late fitness test on Amos Roberts.

A big risk to only have one prop on the bench? I would have played Feka tbh.

That's my guess at what the team is.

Regardless of what other say clifford I still appreciate the little snippets of team news you provide.

Me to.

+1

You wont ever stop news getting out in RL, its to close knit as a game.

The team news probably does annoy the club BUT I really dont see the big deal.

Although i do not expect it it would be good of you to come on put your hand up and admit you were wrong given the selection on the flanks today.

I though Mossy did well, showed a couple of good runs and eased straight back in.. Unfortunately he had a hand (literally) in Leeds' match winning try by knocking on when maybe after watching it back on TV when Ive just got in, he maybe could of left it for Hall to drop on or even maybe put Hall half way up the south stand. Even a volley down field would have been just as good but its alot easier to do now than in real play.

Another weeks training this week, and hat trick on Sunday v Cas.