That proves aboslutely nothing. I could just as easily say I know him too and can easily believe that it was deliberate.

All we've got is the evidence before us. Telepathy by Warrington fans, thickie Yaaarkshire outrage from Bradford fans and name-dropping by guys like you count for squat. What we saw was as close to a full on punch to the jaw as I've seen in modern times. Don't ask me, ask John Kear - who's hardly a Wigan fan. Even he was appalled.

And don't ask naive questions like why would he do this? How about taking out Wigan's most dangerous attacking player? It's not rocket science.

If you had bothered to read my posts, i have said the red card was right, and that he should be banned for it too..... what more would you like me to agree with you on?

You are hilarious. Once again read my posts and tell me where i haven't agreed with you wiganers that Raynor should have been sent off, anything to get at a wire fan, your embarrassing.

That you are obsessed with Wigan cause we are bigger and better that your beloved Wolfs?

You really are pathetic.

yep you did, fair play

Raynor's shot on Sam was the best piece of sporting action all weekend, looked even better in slow-mo.

You annoyed people here when you started to compare the Raynor incident with the Mcguire incident last year. It was mentioned here that some Bulls fans had boo'd Tomkins, and you compared the two incidents. They would only habve been comparable if Raynor had badly hurt his wrist if he had been trying to stop the try with "foul play"... Please don't be suprised if we defend our team, if Briers had been sparked, it would probably have been deemed a hanging offence in your eyes.

Well no Leeds players are hard enough or fast enough to manage the feat...

To be fair to Sam, he took the shot well. He was walking around again soon after, but that doesn't say much for Raynor.

He looked like he wanted to play.... He does take some knocks, but takes some stopping for sure... One tough little bugger...

He wasn't comparing the Mcguire incident with the Raynor one

, he was comparing the Tomkins/Myler incident with the Raynor one. Is it that hard to understand.

This is true.


So i annoyed people by giving my view on things, tough titties. I have explained this for you clearly already, and you ignore it time and time again, I compared the booing the player to the mcguire incident, i compared the punch to the joel on myler incident, what more do you not understand? But this doesnt deny the fact that i have agreed with the sending off and actually said that if it had been between general public then raynor would be looking at a little jail spell and as such should expect a good ban from the RFL.

I don't deny that i would be annoyed and expect the ban for raynor if he had done it to briers, but that is irrelevant because i havent said i think raynor was right to do it to tomkins, i have said that no matter who he did it to, raynor was wrong, briers, tomkins, chase, foster, sinfield. When something is wrong it is wrong, and i never said it was right. So your point about briers is irrelevant.

Original wire - if you agree with us about Raynor why nearly 30 posts arguing all the time. You are just a $hit stirrer.

And what is all this pm business - you will be taking out super injunctions next.

Just clarifying what i wrote. You are new to this whole thing so haven't quite grasped it yet, i have argued about a seperate incident, and it is my choice whether i want to or not, you are not my mother, nor a mod, and as such you have no bearings on what i discuss with others on this board. You clearly haven't quite bothered to read all of my posts, and as such, discussing them with you would be a waste of time.

Loved the bulls fan, as I was coming out the ground, telling all his mates how he hated Sam and how he was a disgrace in getting Raynor sent off. He went a bit quiet when I asked him if he thought getting knocked out was disgraceful!! I despair at the one eyed way some fans watch a game

How do you know I am new, are you a Clairvoyant.

Just write four little numbers down when you started watching RL.

Methinks people booed McGuire going down because he cheated, hence the booage, and people didn't actually think he was hurt at the time. you'll probably point out the amount of people that made stupid comments like "i hope his careers over" but comments like that were made in the heat of the moment, and for the most part retracted. Those that did indeed wish injury on him are daft. As for the Joely T on Myler, the RFL accepted that he was trying to dislodge the ball as it had not yet been grounded when Joel dropped on him, which to be fair, if i remember rightly, it hadn't. Personally i can see where he came from with that defence, but i'm not entirely sure thats what was going through his mind at the time.

Raynor's was a straight red, nothing much in it, didnt look intentional, but straight contact with the head, especially with a swinging arm and a closed fist, will always be a red.

Nevertheless, it came across as defending the booing of an injured player who was leaving the field after being knocked out by an incident of foul play. Not only was such a comparison fallacious, it was bound to get a response (something OriginalWire almost certainly knew when he made the comment).

Hey by the way, I made you a new avatar. Hope you like it.

I think Raynor might have been attempting to knock the ball from Sam's grasp as he was scoring but with Sam's speed and Raynor coming from a different direction at speed, the timing was miles out. He had to go. Ganson had no alternative. Lima's 10 minutes was just to balance it out a bit which is ridiculous.

I have no idea why that would be remotely funny?? Do you have to be in the clique to understand.

not to RL, to the website, and i don't mean when you joined, i was talking about your number of posts.

Y'know, I always said Sam Tomkins could score a try in his sleep...



...I'll get my coat.

No just doing anything to avoid thinking about how they just snuck past a very poor bradford side that only had 12 men.

I must admit, watching it back, it was horrible to see him sparko, but manage to keep his eyes wide open.