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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"You do talk some tripe at times I have to say.
What an arrogant and self=righteous post.
Perish the thought that those of us who have been supporting Wigan for decades are not allowed to express their opinions on the make up of our team.'"
I thought you said this was a forum for expression opinions?
But it's 'arrogant and self-righteous' to want to give the new coach a chance?
And you're the one who still wanted to give Noble a chance after 3.5 years of failing to deliver.
Who's talking tripe again?
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| Quote ="Pemps"Seems an unusual decision but I'll reserve my judgement until we're well into the season.'"
And that, my friend, is the only legitimate response!
Talk about over-reacting! It seems that it needs to be all or nothing on this board of late. You're either 'all for' or 'all against' on any given issue. Whatever happened to balance? This move may be a good thing, it may not. That's the same with anything new! That's because it's new and, by definition, untried. Weird eh?
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| This thread is is no longer funny but worrying. Causul moaning/questioning seems to be turning into an actual agenda to complain and find fault.
That being said, if Noble had come up with this idea, this place would have gone into meltdown.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Apparently, even expressing interest in this innovation is "w**king over Michael Maguire".
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theres too much of that on here........half the speccies will be blind come season at this rate
having said that......the guys done some good things, and things we dont all agree with.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"
And if anyone gives me this "rebuliding" nonsense then I have heard it all before........
Time will tell.'"
and you might hear it again.
as i posted elsewhere...sean wane was speaking at agents do and he was upbeat.
but he was upbeat about the future in a couple of years...NOT this season.
so its looking like ANOTHER rebuilding season
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"You do talk some tripe at times I have to say.
What an arrogant and self=righteous post.
Perish the thought that those of us who have been supporting Wigan for decades are not allowed to express their opinions on the make up of our team.'"
BK, let's be honest though. You use every possible post to further your already preconcieved notions. You complained (and still do) about the risk involved in appointing Maguire and your dislike of O'Loughlin is well known. Lo and behold, this announcement proves that Maguire was indeed a risk...I mean just look at this ridiculous, radical move he has just made in giving the senior players more of an active role (something you have been calling for yourself iirc) and not only that, it proves that O'Loughlin is a gash captain despite the fact that MM has announced that O'Loughlin could have chosen to remain sole captain and that he is at the forefront of the 'group leader' idea both in terms of his support for the idea and the fact that he is among the group of the senior pros anyway! Still you can always fall back on the "well he would say that" line of argument. You usually do when the given facts don't support your case!
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"and you might hear it again.
as i posted elsewhere...sean wane was speaking at agents do and he was upbeat.
but he was upbeat about the future in a couple of years...NOT this season.
so its looking like ANOTHER rebuilding season
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Bloody hell fire. Now that the rest of the rabbits have arrived, Thumper's here too.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Bloody hell fire. Now that the rest of the rabbits have arrived, Thumper's here too.'"
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Bloody hell fire. Now that the rest of the rabbits have arrived, Thumper's here too.'"
i see we've got out the wrong side of the bed again
ffs post summat constructive, even if some of us disagree with it.
these put down posts that say absolutely nothing are becoming your trade mark mate.
your becoming a parody of yourself.......and predictible.
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| I agree with Cruncher!
We needed more leaders in the team, MM has created a Process for more involvement from Senior players (And I suspect he may throw a relative youngster in from left field to give the younger players some voice in things and see that there's a way into the team or to have thei voice heard).
Swapping the on field captain? Not sure? but you know what?
It doesn't matter what I/You/Anyone else thinks as long as the players/coaches & Staff are comfortable with it & agree with it then it's fine by me!
I can't see why anyone would get so upset about it?
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| I'm hoping this is a ploy by MM whereby the captaincy on the day is a token gesture and each member of the senior leaders will organise and direct certain areas of the field of play and discuss potential plays in game and weaknesses during breaks in the game.
If not I think this could be a bad idea, especially if one player gets full responsibility and loses it the week after. They might all get along but if somebody thinks they can do something better it will cause obvious friction and we could end up creating personalities that we'd rather not.
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| A new concept.
Donkey's years ago Graham Lowe started watching games with a clipboard marking down how many tackles, breaks, assists etc players made.
Anyone remember the outcry?
"What's a coach doing with a clipboard, he should be coaching!"
Long time ago I know but it shows how things do change to improve.
Still think it's something to do with a quiet team and a way of making senior players take on more responsibility and leadership.
For too many seasons we've had too few leaders and too many followers.
MM does seem to be addressing the matter.
It will be interesting to find out from him if it is an idea he had for years at Melbourne or something he's innovated specifially for Wigan.
New idea, give it a go!
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| Quote ="Father Ted"A new concept.
Donkey's years ago Graham Lowe started watching games with a clipboard marking down how many tackles, breaks, assists etc players made.
Anyone remember the outcry?
"What's a coach doing with a clipboard, he should be coaching!"
Long time ago I know but it shows how things do change to improve.
Still think it's something to do with a quiet team and a way of making senior players take on more responsibility and leadership.
For too many seasons we've had too few leaders and too many followers.
MM does seem to be addressing the matter.
It will be interesting to find out from him if it is an idea he had for years at Melbourne or something he's innovated specifially for Wigan.
New idea, give it a go!'"
I couldn't agree more.
Lowe was scoffed at for having game-plans when he first arrived at Wigan. Alex Murphy at St Helens led the charge on that one. Murph is now long gone, and everyone has gameplans. Monie was raged at for rotating the prop forwards. Again, it was an innovation that now has universal useage.
For a club that once led the game at every level, and yet has been stagnant for so long - we in particular should not be shy of trying new techniques. Especially when there's a precedent for them at go-ahead clubs like Melbourne, and especially when it wouldn't be too difficult, if it goes wrong, to switch back to the old system.
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| According to the Sun its
O'Loughlin
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| Quote ="ray13"According to the Sun its
O'Loughlin
Deacon
Richards
Bailey
Coley'"
They are the senior players at the club do it does make sense really. Although I'd have thought Gleeson, Fielden & Carmont could be on the list
Big op there tho for the likes of Joel, Sam & Tommy as three of the five could be on their way out at the end if the season.
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| Quote ="ray13"According to the Sun its
O'Loughlin
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Richards
Bailey
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burning question.......does this make them automatic choices every week.
ie..undroppable???
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"burning question.......does this make them automatic choices every week.
ie..undroppable???'"
I get the feeling that no-one is undroppable this year
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"burning question.......does this make them automatic choices every week.
ie..undroppable???'"
I can see where you are coming from, but under the new regime I don't for a minute think this is the case. The players named have to step up to the mark a bit more. That is why I think Stuart Fielden would be a fantastic choice.
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| I think this is a fantastic idea.
It will give the more senior players in our squad a forum to inject their opinion without undermining Lockers authority. It will also give the nominated personnel a renewed sense of achievement and may even encourage them to lead by example by upping there game.
We all know that Lockers had his doubters with the captaincy role, this was IMO purely because he never threw a ādouble sixā at the players when the chips where down. Now 5 members of the squad have been given official licence to do the āwall of deathā if they are seeing something that they are not happy with.
Also there may be a problem with a team member that perhaps the coach should not, or need not be made aware of (I can think of multiple scenarios). It will allow the Leadership team to sit down and discuss the problem in an official fashion and possible nip the problem in the bud before it escalates.
This could backfire and cause confusion within the ranks, but if the 5 āleadersā operate in a sensible and controlled fashion within their own divisions of responsibility this could prove to be a masterstroke. Not to mention a closer bonding of the 5 because of shared responsibility.
From my own experience when the burden of command is delegated correctly it can have some very good results
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| Quote ="Bourbon Rat"Enjoyed reading this thread.Can't see why people have a problem grasping the concept of a '[url=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/melbourne-storm-culture-leading-the-way/story-e6frf9if-1225782307271leadership group[/url'.'"
Everyone criticising this new captaincy system needs to read that arcticle. I'm not saying it'll work at Wigan, but when you look at the culture the management team are trying to create, how the fook can people complain? This is exactly the sort of thing that has been missing at Wigan for years now. Reet, where's my Kleenex
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| Quote ="captain complainer"i see we've got out the wrong side of the bed again
ffs post summat constructive, even if some of us disagree with it.
these [imoaning[/i posts that say absolutely nothing are becoming your trade mark mate.
your becoming a parody of yourself.......and predictible.'"
Truly epic pot+kettle antics.
Back on topic. Time will tell if it's a good or bad idea, that's generally the case when you try anything new in any walk of life. If you want to improve then you should leave no stone unturned in ways to gain that improvement. I personally think it's a really good sign that we're prepared to try whatever it takes to improve the way the club and team operates both off and on the field. It may work, it may not, but I think it's good that we're at least prepared to try.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"I agree with Cruncher!
We needed more leaders in the team, MM has created a Process for more involvement from Senior players (And I suspect he may throw a relative youngster in from left field to give the younger players some voice in things and see that there's a way into the team or to have thei voice heard).
Swapping the on field captain? Not sure? but you know what?
It doesn't matter what I/You/Anyone else thinks as long as the players/coaches & Staff are comfortable with it & agree with it then it's fine by me!
I can't see why anyone would get so upset about it?'"
Exactly! Can't see why anyone would get upset with it or excited by it. It means f all.
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