It's not worded very well, but earlier in the section it talks about how they determine the cap value, using basic wage, bonus etc and its this they use to put a figure on for the salary cap and will do so with a non-player. So pretty much all will count. In the previous rules before being rewritten to take account of the live cap, it was pretty clear - play a game and all your salary and other remuneration is counted against the cap. It's pretty much the same here they've just decided to split out the various forms of payment (salary, appearance money, bonus, image rights etc) in determining the salary cap "value" of a player.

I agree with signing Deacon but the most important signing we need is a rough house prop, then a halfback and then Shaun Briscoe.

The halfback wll be near to the end of their career and would provide the Dunneman factor e.g. Long, Deacon.

So if it does come off I'm all for it, his best years are behind him and he is no Andrew Johns but he can direct a team around a pitch and will bring Tomkins and Leuluai's kicking and organising game on leaps and bounds, bring it on!

This deal might yet not go through, Manly have just announced their 25-man Squad for the new season, and Orford is in it! www.mwse.com.au/default.aspx?s=a ... -announced Surely Bradford would not release Deacon before they have a replacement lined up?

This deal might yet not go through, Manly have just announced their 25-man Squad for the new season, and Orford is in it! www.mwse.com.au/default.aspx?s=a ... -announced Surely Bradford would not release Deacon before they have a replacement lined up?

They've also put in the wording that it's not limited to the clauses they've listed, which gives them carte blanche to make it up as they go along

And changed things to make it estimation based rather than actual payment based.

Quote ="LewCharnock"This deal might yet not go through, Manly have just announced their 25-man Squad for the new season, and Orford is in it! www.mwse.com.au/default.aspx?s=a ... -announced Surely Bradford would not release Deacon before they have a replacement lined up?'" I doubt we would, and I wouldn't be unhappy for him to stay, although he can't have another season like last. I hope we can get Orford, but if not, I don't think we'll do anything too stupid.

Quote ="LewCharnock"This deal might yet not go through, Manly have just announced their 25-man Squad for the new season, and Orford is in it! www.mwse.com.au/default.aspx?s=a ... -announced Surely Bradford would not release Deacon before they have a replacement lined up?'" I doubt we would, and I wouldn't be unhappy for him to stay, although he can't have another season like last. I hope we can get Orford, but if not, I don't think we'll do anything too stupid.

I think this ould be a good signing. As already posted we will have 5 players playing for 4 slots. At some time during the season the cahnces are that 1 of the choice 4 (mm/tommy/tompkins/piggy) will miss a game whether through injury suspension drop of form so if we have someone like deacon to step in then I see it as a good thing. If at the same time he is taken on as a coaching role then this can only help the future prospects of Wigan.

perfect signing based on our problems this year - kicking and direction is whats needed. most teams would love to have 2 half backs who challenge the line like lulu and tomkins - deacon represents the skills that are missing

I think he would be a tremendous back up replacement for the role vacated by Tim Smith

Have any of you who are claiming that Deacon is adept at "leading a team around the pitch" actually watched Bradford play since James Lowes retired? After a rudderless period in 2004 Iestyn Harris took on the mantle when he signed, but last season Deacon's "expertise" in this facet of the game was exposed again.

Hope this deal goes through, but it sounds too good to be true from a Bradford perspective.

Maybe that had something to do with McBannanas tactics/coaching abilities ( or lack of ) !!!!

I think the fact that Bradford lost Lowes, McDermott, Peacock, Vangana, Fielden, Noble, Forshaw, L. Pryce, Vainikolo, Hape, Radford, R. Paul, Anderson, and Harris. Is more to do with Bradfords demise.
Now I don't watch Bradford live but I know a lot of people who do and they rate Deacon he might not be the youngest now, but he has SL experience and he is a Wigan lad. He could be a old head that our young team needs.

That's a different point to the one I was making. I don't blame Deacon at all for Bradford's demise, but I do find the fact he is feted as some kind of on-field organisational guru fairly strange, when much of our play is so obviously disjointed and lacks some on field leadership.

Of course the fact that our coaching staff is collectively out of it's depth and the quality of our backline is poor contributes to that as well, but as the supposed on field organiser and leader Deacon falls way short.

And yet within any good team he's been able to do this, all the way to International level. I think the reasons for his inefectuality lie elsewhere, Asim. You could liken his ineffectiveness to the difference in the 1st and 2nd halves in the last game against the aussies. Everyone looked good in the second half when we played with fluency yet exactly the same players looked poor in a team that lacked any real fluency or gameplan. Who, in your opinion, was responsible? The scrum half or the team/coaches as a whole?

When?

Do you really think Deacon was responsible for that at Bradford in the "glory years"? As someone who watched them week in week out it was clear James Lowes fulfilled that role, and that became even clearer in 2004 when he left and wasn't replaced. Only when Iestyn Harris was brought in did the team climb back up the table from hovering around 5th to 2nd and making the grand final.


Everyone has collective responsibility in a team environment, it is up to the coach to ensure he puts out a team that has the requisite number of leaders/organisers and that they are briefed to do that, if they fail to do so then the coach has to address that problem in whatever way he feels best.

Part of the problem with McNamara's Bradford sides is that he has placed faith and responsibility in Deacon to do it, and he has not proven to be incapable of doing it. Luckily for us it seems that McNamara might have finally realised this to be the case.

I hope you get him.

He is still a good goal kicker but his place kicking is dreadful, he is past his best and he is slower than a week in the jail.

As much as a legend Paul Deacon is at Bradford he should have left a couple of years ago IMO.

I have spoke to 2 players today and both confirmed that its definitley happening. Just waiting for Bradford to secure their replacement in Orford.

So, Deacon to Wigan is done and dusted? Does it not depend on Orford to Bradford?

He has signed, it is true, CPWigan says so

I got told both deals are done, just waiting for visa details for orford.

Cheers mate.

Just need to finalise the Graham deal and the job's a goodun.



Roll on 2010.

I asked about that too and they said it was never on the cards and Graham wouldn't sign for wigan anyway.

I'm not going to argue with you as you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I know what I saw though (and I saw plenty of Bradford during that period) and Deacon's kicking game was always exemplary. If you want to discount his role in Bradford's success during that time I'd be interested to hear your take on why successive coaches, including your most successful ever, thought he was up to the task? The reason he hasn't been able to do it under McNamara is simple. His best days are long gone.

Seen this in Sydney Morning Herald:- www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/where_was_i/ looks like Manly are wondering what Orford is going to do.

Seen this in Sydney Morning Herald:- www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/where_was_i/ looks like Manly are wondering what Orford is going to do.

Sorry - now you all know I'm apPrat:- www.leaguehq.com.au/news/lhqnews ... 56534.html

Sorry - now you all know I'm apPrat:- www.leaguehq.com.au/news/lhqnews ... 56534.html