What agenda? Stating i should apply for the position is just silly.

If people questioned management and the leaders of the organisation a bit more we may not as a country be is such a mess with the banking. Simply because someone is in a position of authority it does not mean they are beyond question.

You cannot follow blindly. The reason i want Noble out is because i do not think he is the man for the job and is infact harming us more than helping us. I have made this assessment over the last 2 years. Noble will not walk away so i think a loss at Cas will force IL's hand.

Sometimes for growth you have to take a short term hit, a loss against Cas for me is that short term hit for the long term future of the club.

I can see your point but we've still improved every year under Noble so to ditch him, for me, is rash. Stability is key with a proven coach.

This is where we disagree.

I watched Salford and Celtic last night. Both team had numerous new players, yet played more rugby than Wigan. The plays that put Duggan over for his 2 tries were a joy to watch. As a Celtic fan I would have been Happy with their 2 performances and yet they're at the bottom with Wigan,
Saints impressed me because when they went 16-14 up against Wire, they continued to play attractive rugby and not shove it up the jumper as Wigan did in the second half at Hull.

In what area have we improved?

Defence
Attack
Ball Retention
Giving away fewer technical free kicks?
Discipline (how many sent off last year)

For me the only place we have improved under nobby, is that we dont seem to pick up as many injuries as we used too.

Or who IL allows them to sign !!

Well yes but that's the same at any club, there's always a bean counter holding the purse-strings, in our case it's the Chair.

But what if the 'bean counter' is deciding who we sign not the coach.

you have hit the nail on the head, times are getting harder and people want good value for money, as i stated in a previous post i think we are one of the most boring teams in super league.

The bean counter will ultimately decide; a coach puts forward a 'wanted' list in priority based on the financial constraints of the club. The bean counter and the coach discuss the proposal and then the club makes its attempts to sign the players within agreed pricing parameters and in away that will not breach the salary cap.

Of course, if you mean the bean counter signs players without prior suggestion/approval from the coach then you have a more serious situation...

Speaking of which you failed to answer my question. Why are you not coaching? Serious question. You have done nothing for over a year but hammer Brian Noble in nearly every single post. You claim to know everything about coaching so why dont you send your CV in to Ian Lenegan and lets see you take charge.

You claim that Ellery Hanley is some kind of master coach yet i fail to see SL clubs queueing up for him. Im pretty sure if Noble was sacked at Wigan he would get a job easy enough elsewhere as soon as a vacancy came along and he wouldnt end up coaching an team in NL1/2.

My original point is that none of the supporters should wish for Cas to beat Wigan on Friday which is what Jon was saying and we don't need supporters that think like that.

We can all ask questions and say what we would do but to say 2 games into a season that you hope we get beat so Nobby go's is not a logical remark to make.

He might have taken the club as far as he can i personally don't think that is the case and do feel we will get to if not win a final this year.

And if Nobby should go who would replace him what British coaches have we that are better? Edwards has no coaching experience in coaching in Super League and i don't think he is ready to come back to Wigan until his son is older but when the time comes i would love to see him back home. That means an overseas coach and who is available? all the best ones are with NRL clubs. So lets stick with what we have for now and if we are not doing well towards the end of the season then it time to not renew his contract and replace him now is not the time.

And thats my last post on this subject for now lets see where we are at the end of round 14.

If true we are on the road the nowhere.

I would have thought that Lydon(before he left) & Noble would identify who they want and Lenagan would go out and get them, but then again!!!!

Noble didn't sign (want) Riddell, it was IL.

Noble certainly didn't want Higham

Is this true mate is is it just a bit of guesswork that is doing the rounds?

It seems to be doing the rounds that Noble wanted somebody else. Maybe Buderus? Not sure but Riddell was not his first choice according to people who claim to be in the know.

Just to add i think the signing of Roberts a year early was maybe because we missed out on other players,Roberts became available so we thought we might as well take him now whilst we had no chance of anybody else.

Its also been stated that Noble was obsessed with signing Greg Bird so you would have to say he was not comfortable with both Smith and Lulu starting 6 & 7. I know Bird has not been allowed a visa anyway but our offer for him was rejected. Makes you wonder why we cannot compete with other teams money wise when it comes to signing good players.

What's Stuart Raper up to these days?!?! hed be a good replacement IMO and as far as im aware he is not coaching with any club?

True.

In your opinion - and leading on:



I beg to differ; I believe you're looking at a season by season basis; I'm viewing it on the whole of BN's reign, therefore I don't see us as 2 games in but into the third season.



Shame because this is at least intelligent discourse as opposed to 'JonH is talking cr*p' (inference - not actual quote) as we've had from some.



Don't know but I'd go with Raper over Hanley on the grounds that Raper's a proven top flight coach.

Does this mean that NickmanHighamlover is Brian Noble?!

No, Noble had targeted another hooker but IL wanted Piggy.

I don't think it's a case of Noble not wanting Piggy just more that he was his second choice. Couldn't get his first choice.

Because i have put my family first, i am now earning more money in a stable environment than i could ever hope to in rugby league, i was offered a position on the staff of a top SL club (not Wigan) which i refused due to the fact i have responsibilities and am not willing to risk these for trying to continue my coaching career, which ultimately is a very unstable profession and a change in personel can affect your career even if you are perfoming miracles.

Thats basically why in a nut shell.

I have been out of the game for 3 months by the way not a year.

Now i still await the answer to my questions about who is responsinble for picking the team, will have a major say in player signings and who is responsible from the balance in the dressing room and controlling these ego's and agendas if not the coach?

Wigans initial target was Buderus but Leeds offered him the big money so we went for our second choice in Riddell, a decision i do not think we will regret.

I have never said Hanley is a master coach but i think he is a good coach and also has the personality to succeed at Wigan something that Ian Millward did not and neither in my opinion does Noble, i continue to hear stories of unrest in the dressing room from numerous sources, also by looking at the body language of the players they are clearly not enjoying the game, have no enthusiasm etc have not for the last 2 years in general.