The danger in this type of tackle, is when the third player in, attacks the knee's. This is quite rightly punished with at least a penalty if the official see's it happen.

Our players technique is second to none in Super League in avoiding the knee joint and dropping from the thigh or pulling the ankles together.

If Cummins learns to look before he starts ranting because he has lost, he won't look such an idiot in future.

Cummings needs to ask himself 1 question:

Why did his side go out of steam in the last 15.

All sides use the 3rd man in now its nothing new he is hiding his own failures on others. Technical term for the next coach to be sacked. He is running out of ideas and now blames others.

Following in the footsteps of fellow Yorkshire whingers who were seeking to deflect from their own inadequacies, Richard Agar and John Kear. Big excuse-makers in 2010. Now coaching in lower divisions. That's the way, Franny.

Richard Agar coaches at Wakefield




I agree with Cummins. I mean, practically every visiting fan on this board has told us how dirty we are and how we're coached to deliberately injure players by 'the ape' but we're just too blinkered to see it.

Near enough.

well, the disciplinary clearly disagreed, the only incident deemed worthy of further action was Logan's grapple tackle.

its a case of whether theres a difference between tackling the knee and attacking the knee. you can see one of the events on the highlights and it seems like a normal tackle round the legs that unfortunately goes wrong as he falls. whether there is inherent danger in this sort of tackle or if these individuals were unlucky at the time, im not sure to be honest.

Summed up perfectly in one sentence.

That's all there is to hear folks. Nothing new on this thread.

Cummins is new to the Head Coach role, and needs to learn how to walk the fine line between protecting his team and himself, and making himself look ridiculous with outrageous comments like this.
If he plans to be in the job for years to come, he will have to bite his tongue when it comes to sounding bitter.

The cynic in me says this is a strategy by Cummins to:

1. Deflect from his side's failing in not closing out the game last week.

2. An attempt to deflect any blame from his own players in the brawl after the 19s game.

The tackle does not get punished anyway. I'm not speaking about Wigan (i never seen the bulls game or highlights) however i think that kind of tackle is disgusting and should result in a 5 game ban, yet the RFL do sweet FA about it.

Tony Puletua vs Wakefield this season (i think) tackled by 2, accepted the tackle then in came the third man straight at the knee, no penalty given, nobody at the RFL found the player guilty, yet Puletua out for 6 weeks with a knee injury. Ive seen quite a few go the same way this year aswell.

It all depends on the circumstances. You can't just ban the 3rd man in. If a player is still moving forward then defenders have a right to join the tackle and that includes round the legs. What is and should be banned is attacking the standing leg especially at the knee joint.

RL is a tough sport and injuries will occur. I can't comment on the TP incident as I've not seen it but from what you describe it should have been punished.

This was investigated by the disciplinary panel already:



So I have to ask - WTF is he whining about?

He needs to worry less about us and more about his own (and his team's) deficiencies.

Hes not the first to come out moaning like this.
Critisising the tackling we "got away with" is in effect criticising the match officials?

Maybe if the RFL started fining managers for comments that "bring the game into disrepute" they might keep their mouths shut and let the RFL and match officials get on with doing their jobs?

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Paul Wood took exception to (I think) Logan Tomkins doing this type of thing the other week.

Either way Cummins should take it up through the correct channels if he has a problem. I'm sure Wane has learnt this after his whinge last season accusing other clubs of illegally targetting Tomkins.

Why get involved? The RFL have already dismissed the case, all Wane has done there is draw more unwanted attention to our tackling technique. I'm not saying the refs would create penalties that aren't there, but if a borderline tackle of this type occurs, things like this could subconsciously influence them.

If anyone wants to "subconsciously influence" anything it's Cummins. I don't think our coach is blessed with the best media skills but I don't think Wane has done any harm here by basically saying Cummins is talking rot. Cummins comments were way out of line and if he really felt there were cases to answer he should have taken it up with the RFL not the media. In the face if that tirade by Cummins I don't think Wigan or Wane could just let it pass without comment. Not when he was accusing the club of deliberately training to tackle in a way to injure players.

I think saying Cummins will be embarrassed was actually quite a smart way to phrase it.

Isn't that exactly what Cummins did? He launched an official complaint with the RFL, I'm pretty sure that's the most 'correct' channel there is.
As for the comments reported in the press, not ideal but the papers will always be after a story. As evidenced by Wane's recent retort.

In fairness to Wane, he knew nothing about it until told in yesterday's press conference. Sounds like it was surprise more than anything else.

Ah fair enough I hadn't realised that

Agree with most of what's been said here.

Bitter whining.

Francis is getting a touch of the McNamara's about him where everything is everyone's else fault bar his.

I see this reared its ugly head again last night. It's awful to watch and only a matter of time until somebody is really hurt. The RFL need to get a grip of it.

Lets see who gets cited eh?
If no one will you en come on and apologise?