Yep superb in attack blooming awful in defense tim smith he was like a turnstile spinning off tackles lol

Those who hate Sam because "he's a snide, he's a cheat, he's a rat" etc, are newcomers to the game. Pure and simple.

They clearly have no memory of the same pattern existing with Long, with Edwards, with Gregory, with Alex Murphy, etc.

If any of these players had been gash they'd have been ignored, for all their antics. But the combination of attitude and superlative talent made them the huge personalities they were, and made the opposition massively envious (which was the real explanation for the dislike).

They were also hated by the thicker end of the fan spectrum because they were tough enough to ride out the rough and dirty challenges of pantomime villains like Ben Cross - which, given that Cross is big and Sam is small, just doesn't compute to those who'll never understand that's it about more than size, it's also about heart and guts. In truth, Sam is relatively easy going by the standards we're discussing. If Cross had tried that stuff with Andy Greg or Alex Murphy, he'd have been decked.

I'll add Bishop, Woods, Goulding, Miles, Friend, Freeman. All good halfbacks, with the exception of Bishop who was crap and Miles was was a great, who would have given as good as they got within the laws or outside of the laws of the game.

Abysmal signing. The worst defender I have ever seen in Wigan colours. Makes Richie Mathers look like Adrian Morley.

Mathers is a much better defender than Tim Smith. Thats how bad he is. Tim Smith could not tackle to safe his life and defenitley the worst ive seen in a Wigan Shirt.

Can you imagine Smithy, Long and Gleeson all at Hull at the same time?

What a strange way for Kath Hetherington to announce that she never wants to hold a position of responsibility in any sport ever again.

Hmm, how do you apply to be a landlord/bookie in Hull?

And Danny Tickle.

Although it would give Agar some more excuses...

Thanks for the opinions, I knew his defence wasn't great, but to be honest we are more in need of a halfback who can kick, pass and organise, as we dont (and havne't since Cooke) got someone who can do this.

I do worry about his off the field behaviour, we seem to get rid of one and then sign another, Long hopefully wont be here next year though.

Again not about Gleeson would really improve our team, but too much baggae maybe?

RFL confirms Gareth Hock clear to return to training with Wigan - but remains ineligible to play until June 23.

Tom Briscoe to the rhinos for 2012

I hope lenegan gets the cheque book out and signs briscoe for us how much you reckon he is worth £100k

National Minimum Wage.

100k for Briscoe? Massively overrated for me.

Looking at some of the performances this season Ratchford is the player I'd open the cheque book for.

I'm a big Briscoe fan. But before I get all excited about the fact that he may or may not be available to the highest bidder. I severely doubt Hull FC would be prepared to let him go. No matter how much cash is offered.

I'm with you on that one Priestman.

Not just this season either - he's been doing it for 18 months now.

Looks like we are looking for Amos to rediscover his form: www.nrl.com/storm-secure-slater- ... fault.aspx

Looks like we are looking for Amos to rediscover his form: www.nrl.com/storm-secure-slater- ... fault.aspx

From reading that link, it also seems the rumours of cooper cronk coming to saints ain't true.

like we ever had a chance of Billy Slater coming to Wigan, and Cooper Cronk to Saints? Get real

Quality player! We currently have 5 people who can confortably play in the halves. It wouldn't be a wise signing.

We need a centre!

Excellant news for Melbourne in securing that triangle of players.

Slater has that rare ability to create something from nothing and is genuinley one of the most exciting players i have ever seen play the game.

I don't think a move to Superleague was ever realistically on the cards, maybe when he's 33 and can't walk.

As with all attacking players though, he's much more effective behind a dominant pack of forwards and it will be interesting to see if he gets that platform throughout 2011.