I'll say again as it obviously hasn't got through to you, I have no problem with the questions asked by those in attendance my biff is with the answers given by Lenegan, understood? Those answers given by Lenegan I'm disappointed in you have pretty much mentioned in the post of yours I have quoted above.

Hunt due to his price tag was always unrealistic end of.

He was never a realistic option given the restraints of the cap IFL often mentions.

The fact that we mention him as someone we looked at holds about as much credibility as Gateshead "looking at him", Tronc, yes i can handle were he to be mentioned but Hunt never.

Sounds like headline grabbing at its finest (that the agents can use against us) and a desperate attempt to salvage some credibility from the fact Wigan are potentially having to put up with a second choice coach and no new signings.

To be fair CP is right I went last time and will not go again. Was bought a ticket but refused. They had an agenda the last time with ready questions and asked certain people in the audience for questions to answer at the end. The difficult ones were one worded answers.

Was a joke really as it was aimed at making him look good but from the last forum to this he hasnt delieved on most of his promises.

I don't and neither should you its a marketing exercise.

Firstly by naming Hunt, who was never a realistic option we once more give the agents ammo for future negotiations, regardless of if we are interested in them or not.

Secondly we have offered the coaching position to 1 person other than Noble, who turned us down.

It seems now BN is stating he wants one more year or nothing at all as though he is in a position to call the shots. So basically we cannot bring a coach to the club who is willing to take a chance and earn a contract by proving themselves so we have to put up with our second choice in BN.

Forgive my pesimism, but what makes you think given the current track record of converting targets we can get the right man for 2011?

The title might be but the sentiment is not.

jonh are you seriously saying that all of the professional athletes in sport, all the ones i've watched for years, countless people, countless occasions were bullting and faking how ecstatic they were when the crowd was chanting their name in a positive way?

And I'll say this again, as it obviously hasn't got through to you. If you were THERE, you firstly could make sure that you got adequate answers to these very important questions, or secondly, you could hear the answers for yourself and maybe interpret them differently from the 'we hate Wigan' brigade' who post on the other website. Given that many of those who actually attended, myself included, are clearly divided in their opinion about what they heard, it wasn't as clear-cut as some are making out.

But don't let that stop you deciding that it was a "bag of 3" - because that's what Charlie Seeling and co have told you.

Firstly by naming Hunt, who was never a realistic option we once more give the agents ammo for future negotiations, regardless of if we are interested in them or not.

Secondly we have offered the coaching position to 1 person other than Noble, who turned us down.

It seems now BN is stating he wants one more year or nothing at all as though he is in a position to call the shots. So basically we cannot bring a coach to the club who is willing to take a chance and earn a contract by proving themselves so we have to put up with our second choice in BN.

Forgive my pesimism, but what makes you think given the current track record of converting targets we can get the right man for 2011?

Yep, I used the '18th Man' thing to illustrate a point, but it is generally accepted that the fans can give the players a boost by getting behind them.

of course it gives them a boost, you'd have to be blind not to see it when you look at their faces.

That was Joe Lydon's idea, I heard, which - not atypically - was a bit of unsophisticated froth. It only had relevance after the relegation fight, and we should now ditch it.

How many times were they chanting there names after a losing performance?

Naturally the crowd are going to be chanting when a player is winning don't confuse the player being extatic with the player being overjoyed by the victory and the occasion.

so each time when we all chanted 'gilly give us a wave' and he stopped, and gave the worlds biggest grin, he wasn't feeling good because of the fans?

Signing of new contracts and extensions for the likes of our half backs have happened since the trip to Australia so the same cap issue may not have been in place when he went. Before you mention Hock's wage I would expect at least some of that to go to improve contracts for Mossop, Farrell etc who will step up to help replace him. Also proportion of cap that one/two players would take up has to be considered for squad depth implications.

Hunt was probably a panicked answer (been in news recently so first name to come to mind) rather than a very serious target. Either way how do you know for sure that a player is beyond your financial means unless you make an enquiry.

You're probably not alone in saying you could understand him mentioning Tronc as a target. Look at IL's comments on returning from Australia. I remember him mentioning two players he had looked at, Mark O'Meley (decided against it) and Ben Hannant (mid twenties rep player so probably one who was too expensive) are both of those FORWARDS realistic enough as proposed targets.

Would you sing it to him were he a poor player?

Would he fail to perform did you not sing it?

I am sorry to burst a bubble the fans generally mean bugger all, we are a deflection.

if a player has the confidence of the coach and his team mates the fans should be 0 in there sphere of influence.

I would suggest that the difference in coach is a major influence on permance nothing to do with the fans.

Given both are coming to Sl next year yes.

Why have we tried to sign Webb, even if he was never going to get a visa?

IFL should not have paniced answers in these situations, again a panic answer smacks of desperation.

God it's a bloody cynical world you live in.

All the players of all the sports who've talked about great atmospheres, being spurred on by the fans, wrote in in their autobiographies etc.

they were all lying b***ards?

thanks for clearing that up then

Pesimism is not the word if you call one knock back an inability to sign a coach.

You enjoy your half empty pint, eh !

No what i am saying is the fans are not a primarry influence, kid yourself all you want but a direct sphere of influence has way more influence than a fan, yet it seems again like the Pirtek deal the fans are being blamed for failures in other aspect of the clubs running.

We haven't even heard your opinion on matters because you've been to busy niggling at other posters, I assume your happy with the answers given are you? As for this other site crap, I've never even mentioned the other site so where your getting that from I have no idea. I'm so sorry I have a different view to you but I was under the impression this was a public forum where people could express there opinions, but I guess you don't get that do you.

jonh
i think you are wrong about the players giving a toss about the supporters ....over the years i have spoken to many players and they DO care that we are at the games....they DO enjoy our singing and shouting for them
they also except that at times we the fans will slate them when things are bad.Thats part of their job.....
what i and many others can not understand is the absolute VENOM that comes from a small section of people on these forums who think they know better....can play better or handle a match situation better than our PROFFESSIONAL players.
yes players have off days but some people to me appear to enjoy that player losing his confidence cos it gives them a stick to beat them with over and over again....even when the player has improved.
when a small section of 'fans' ( although the way the moan about everything about the club makes me wonder if they are true wigan supporters)decide they dont like a player...thats it for him and even if he scored the winning try in the challenge cup they would find something to slag him off for

lets get behind Lenagen and the club...we are moving in the right direction after the terrible way our club was run for years by whelan and co

I couldn't be bothered to say it so I am glad you have.

I may be wrong as i was not there, but it seems we have offered one of the highest profile jobs in the game to 1 person who has turned it down.

We are now in a position that means we are unable to attract another first team coach even for a year to prove themselves.

As i understand it we have offered the position to 2 other coaches who are unable to get a visa, so truth be told we are running with 4th best at best for 2010 if BN stays.

The fact that he is now only asking for a 1 year deal is both a joke and an indication of our failure as a club.

Jesus christ mate, he didn't even say it was a primary influence on them playing badly.

he just said he didn't like it (his personal opinion) and made the fairly logical assertion that it probably didn't help.

Is your association with the team and the sport these days a largely positive or negative experience? because you seem to be getting more negative as time goes on.

I think you can quite rightly be negative about the lack of scouting, coaching etc, but if you're at the point where you feel you're largely not enjoying the product on offer and that the players cynically pocket their money and don't care what the fans think, then I really can't understand why you're still around.

Spoken as a true fan.

I am not one of the boo boys, who slam players but i think if the small minded mugs who do constatntly slate a player regardless of performance affect them then they need to move on to Warrington or Cas or Trinity when the pressure is not so great.