Exactly its McDermott's hard work not Lenegan's, maybe we should get McDermott to coach Noble that might work.

ok fella

Edited.

At what point do we draw the line though with players not respecting the coach, it seems that's all that ever happens at our place.

I don't get this logic tho in the statement you made?

If it was the same group of players falling out with two consecutive coaches then i could see where you are comming from.

But as far as i can see most of the Milward era squad has left haven't they so how can you compare the two?

At the end of the day the buck rests with the coach which ever way you look at it.

If the fans are on his back then pass it onto the players and demand and improvement
If IL is on his back then pass it onto the players and demand an improvement
If the players aren't happy as well then sort them out and show them who the boss is.

It’s just not happening as no improvement is happening week on week imo. He’s failing to motivate the squad simple as so he’s gotta go.

But whom are to fill these places?

I am going for Kimmorley at 7. But I believe he has another year on his contract at the Bulldogs and they are going to be reluctant to let him go given his form. This said, a big offer to Kimmorley will force their hand.

buckstops with coach cos he is cheaperto get rid of

our players are a disgrace - have been for a good 10 years now

big time charlie attitude, crap in reality

Griffin increasingly looks to be out Prop, at the moment no idea on the half.

Sorry Jonh, don't understand you!

Do you believe him good enough jon, because I'm inclined to say he isn't.

I would say we need two props.

The recuirting of a new half back appears to be a an utter disaster.

He's a stop gap prop till the end of the season I take it, someone with a bad temper and a great go forward poor in defence, but will give us something we haven't got now till the end of the season.

Well if that's true thank god for that, I though we were giving him a long term deal.

If they do, give him a long term deal.....

Do the reserves sell season tickets, I'm watching them as of next season

As i understand we are negotiating with Griffin, probably with a player going the other way to Hudds, O'Carroll i assume.(note assume do not know)

I have no idea where we are going to sign a half from.

(If what you say is true) Why are we loaning out O'Carroll when he was our best prop before he got injured?

we may not be, as i said i assume it is O'Carroll, i do not know if it is, just my assumption.

O'Carroll has to have another operation on his foot.

That sucks.

Kimmorley stated a few years back that he had no desire to play over here until his career in OZ was finished and he would then only come over to finish his career off and top up his pension, sory but i don't want an arrogant TW@T like that in this team

He was only stating the reality of the situation. No current SOO or Kangaroo rep is going to be coming over here.

Kimmorley is the type of 7 we need. Great long and short kicking game. Great organiser, an aspect Wigan is desperatly lacking in. Also a great long and short passer. We could get 2 good seasons out of him.

sorry but i don't want 2 good seasons then back to naormal, we have been signing stop gap players ever since Edwards left, has it worked, has it e, would rather have a youngster to partner Sam and have 2 years of adequate play with several more when the 2 are settled together

So you want two 19 year olds at half back. I hope you are prepared to be patience enough to allow this develop, as one strongly suspects that we will lack any direction for about 3 years.

and what if they click like Burrows and McGuire?
fact is we could sign Kimmorley or Orford and the same thing could happen, at least a Britsh born youngster will be cheaper to replace and won't cost as much on the cap