Believe me, it doesn't get any better!

Is the not a facebook group yet requesting Sam Tomkins to start first team matches?

As if that'd do anything anyway. Besides I want to keep my facebook a happy place to visit, not miserable and depressing like this forum.

Is Sam Tomkins one of our best 17 players? Imo he is and added to the fact that we should be playing a back up hooker/halfback on the bench he should be walking a place in the 17.

The fact that he isn't is all down to age(and possibly size) and the fact that Noble places little to no trust in youngsters. He talks about not rushing them yet how long can you hold them back totally for? He surely wouldn't be rushing a guy of Tomkins talents by giving him 20-30 mins a match. He's been around the first team squad for a while now yet only has one 'real' game to show for it and that was only against a weak Whitehaven side when he scored 5 trys.

I've been a Noble supporter for a long while now but this weekend is massive for him. I wouldn't say in terms od result but it is in terms of selection. If he carries on playing 5 backrowers in the squad and shifting around 4 players positions just to rest Piggy and we lose badly i'm starting to think we may aswell write this season off.

Cant say ive seen much of Sam Tomkins play BUT, what makes people think that adding him to the team will make such a difference?

Ok for arguments sake he plays against Hull,lets say he starts at halfback. No matter how good he is or isnt it wont make one bit of difference if the players around him cannot hold onto the ball and they dont show any enthusiasm to run after loose balls and put the effort in.

Before people start on about Noble it should not be his job to get them players up for the first game of the season,and a home game at that! Noble should not need to teach pro RL players how to catch a bloody ball!

The blame lies with the players who played on Sunday,the errors were schoolboy stuff and things they should be able to do without a coach telling them.

The way people are talking Sam Tomkins is some kind of God who by playing will suddenly fix everything. The pressure put on him by the fans is now huge, im glad im not him.

Hold on a minute! Nobby is not getting off scot free here. Agreed the players selected didn't perform well but Nobby's selections were baffling also. He has to take at least some blame.

This is my line of thinking. The worse case scenario for Sam is to come in and be expected to "save the team". If the team defend as they did, catch (or not catch!) like they did and act like they did - what can he possibly do?

Its the players that played on Sunday that can fix things.

*BTW that's not me saying I don't think Sam should play - I think he should. I just don't think people can expect him to turn everything around - a lot of players have to do a lot of things before this team can turn around.

This is the point im making. We lost the game V Wakey because pretty much the whole team were crap. They couldnt catch a cold,they didnt look interested and the worst bit they seemed to be jogging after loose balls.

You could have Andrew Johns in his prime in the team but it would make no difference if the players around him dont pull their finger out. Even if Tomkins comes in and wins us a tight game V Hull with some individual brilliance it will only paper over the cracks of the other problems (schoolboy errors!)

We dont know the ins and outs. Noble is the coach,we have to trust his judgement. If we are not gonna do that then we might as well just sack him now. Wether you agree with his selection or not,he knows a lot more about the players at his disposal than we do. Maybe he did make a blunder selection wise,it seems he did but which ever way around you play them the team was good enough to beat Wakefield easily. Thats no disrespect to Wakey,but they had half there key players missing.

The reason for the loss was the 17 players who couldnt do the basic things right. The team selection just didnt take advantage of our strengths.

Sam shouldn't be billed as some sort of saviour for Wigan Rugby League club but what his inclusion in the 17 for Friday would do is add some much needed balance.

Instead of having to make 4 positional changes just to rest Piggy we can bring the lad on and kill 2 birds with 1 stone. We give him some much needed experience at the same time as gaining some extra balance for the side and some much needed flair.

The kid may not be a saviour but he's a good rugby league player who's in massive need of some first team game......if Noble isn't going to give them him here then cut the lad a break and loan him out to a club who will.

Exactly. Wouldn't complain at either him or McIlorum being included - but would prefer Sam as it means Tommy can push up to 9 (where he has been playing far far better).

Definately an improvement in terms of squad and subbing people but once again no matter whos on the field it wont help if the rest of the team dont pull there finger out.

Adds speed
Has balance
Is clever
Natural instinct
Proven tryscorer

Brian Noble wouldn't know what those attributes were.

True enough.

The unwillingness of the team to do the small things like running of the ball is why i really worry about Tim Smiths impact on the side! He lives on good runners and if they run good lines for him he'll find them with good ball but if that doesn't happen fans will soon get on the back of him and he'll probably just jak it in and return home.

about right that.

So was Dennis Moran



Seriously though, it is getting to the time when Sam must be playing SL regularly. If Wigan don't give it him, I know Warrington will not hesitate too.

As far as I'm concerned Tomkins is already the most naturally gifted 7 at the club. He isn't a kid anymore and there is no logical reason not to give him his chance - apart from the obvious.

???

Nobby doesn't trust youth?

no wrong ,they have to play the players on 100 grand plus with aussie twangs no matter how crap they are ,they dont come here to sit on benches ,so sam will be the next to get the bigE cos of our policy signing 2nd rate aussies ,another great kid lost to the game

Correctomundo MF.

You regularly post rubbish.

Go away.

That is possbily the biggest load of rubbish I have ever read.

Lets say Noble went and the new coach didn't rate Tomkins - Would he need to be shown the door instantly?