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| Quote ="homme vaste"Did you seriously believe that?
There is just no helping the lad but he seems to pull the wool over some eyes and get chance after chance. No doubt if you sack him there will be a que of SL clubs willing to give him his "Last chance".'"
*Welcome to Toronto*
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Did you seriously believe that?
There is just no helping the lad but he seems to pull the wool over some eyes and get chance after chance. No doubt if you sack him there will be a que of SL clubs willing to give him his "Last chance".'"
Everytime he messed up at Leeds we always had someone on the Leeds board claiming to know how the meetings went between Hardaker and the club and EVERYTIME it was the clubs fault for handling things badly and they were overly harsh to him.
Exact same when he left Cas and you could read comments from someone who knew him placing the blame on how Cas handled things.
If Wigan get rid almost certain you’ll hear how Wigan were harsh and unfair on him and there was more to things than what you read in the news.
He might sound all apologetic and say the right things in his public apologies but clear he paints a different, harshly treated picture to those close to him who buy it and sell it.
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| [* Quote ="JWarriors"*Welcome to Toronto*'"
Away games only, presumably? Not a cat in hell's chance the Canadian Border Control are letting him in.
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| Not sure you can terminate contracts on an alleged DD charge, as serious as drink driving is, it’s not uncommon unfortunately. He seems a liability, who probably needs professional help.
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| Quote ="Riderofthepalehorse"Not sure you can terminate contracts on an alleged DD charge, as serious as drink driving is, it’s not uncommon unfortunately. He seems a liability, who probably needs professional help.'"
Surely Wigan wouldn’t be so stupid as to sign Zac without a clause in his contract relating to his conduct.
He was known to have issues with alcohol so surely they would have made it clear their expectations.
He now deserves to be left out to dry. He’s clearly not willing to change. When a great kid like Macauley Davies has to give up the game whilst this muppet shows he really doesn’t give a toss he doesn’t deserve to be given Another chance.
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| Quote ="Pieman"hes not marquee'"
Didn't realise that. So we presumably have a marquee spot free anyway then with Tomkins leaving, and cap allowance to make use of the nominal value of a marquee player if we ditch Hardaker
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| Quote ="just_browny"[*Away games only, presumably? Not a cat in hell's chance the Canadian Border Control are letting him in.'"
A common misconception. No one on any RL team has been denied a visa so far. It just takes longer. Toronto is a very good bet I'd say.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"A common misconception. No one on any RL team has been denied a visa so far. It just takes longer. Toronto is a very good bet I'd say.'"
Todd Carney was rejected a Visa for the UK though, can see it potentially happening. I know the wrestler Jeff Hardy can't appear in Canada because he's had convictions for a few things including drink driving.
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| Quote ="jools"Surely Wigan wouldn’t be so stupid as to sign Zac without a clause in his contract relating to his conduct.
He was known to have issues with alcohol so surely they would have made it clear their expectations.
He now deserves to be left out to dry. He’s clearly not willing to change. When a great kid like Macauley Davies has to give up the game whilst this muppet shows he really doesn’t give a toss he doesn’t deserve to be given Another chance.'"
Dont think you could cover every clause in a contract, which would protect you from Zaks misdemeanours, Zaksit or remain an interesting decision for the Wigan management.
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| Quote ="Towns88"You moved Joel tomkins on for less....'"
And although I have not read every comment on the DD issue that above is a very pertinent comment.
If the club does want to keep ZH, the PR department has got its work cut out.
Was never in favour of the signing myself but once he started training with Wigan I didn't think there was much point going on about it and I even dared to think he might be good to watch next season. A bridge had been crossed, he was back in RL so may as well see what he can do. So somewhat ironically I am very disappointed he's potentially got himself sacked and has (depending on the clubs reaction) blown it.
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| Didn't want to sign him in the first place as this sort of thing was bound to happen sooner or later. Hock, as far as I can recall, only had problems off the field once and appears to have learned his lesson. Hock is still a loose cannon on the field but that is what makes him the player he is. Zak's off field misdemeanours are to numerous to mention.
Sarge to FB, Hankinson right centre, Gilly left centre and Morgan off the bench?
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| Quote ="dr_feelgood"Didn't want to sign him in the first place as this sort of thing was bound to happen sooner or later. Hock, as far as I can recall, only had problems off the field once and appears to have learned his lesson. Hock is still a loose cannon on the field but that is what makes him the player he is. Zak's off field misdemeanours are to numerous to mention.
Sarge to FB, Hankinson right centre, Gilly left centre and Morgan off the bench?'"
I’d try Manfredi at full back, granted it could go either way but if it worked he would be sensational
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| The flabbergasting thing is that I think most people saw something like this happening at some point but even the harshest critic of him must’ve thought he’d get through more then a months worth of training before it blew up!
If he can’t keep his head down at this point then he’s never going to be able to do it IMO. I’d love to know if he’s genuinely bothered deep down? He can say what he wants and people can say he needs help but does he think he needs help or is he actually enjoying the life he leads? I get the sense his only regrets are getting caught.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I’d love to know if he’s genuinely bothered deep down? He can say what he wants and people can say he needs help but does he think he needs help or is he actually enjoying the life he leads? I get the sense his only regrets are getting caught.'"
I reckon you're right. He did mention depression when he left us for Cas but this seemed to coincide with being alienated from his mates in Ponte, first by Leeds trying to curfew him then by his stint down under. It's pretty obvious where his interests lie and it's not with his RL career.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"A common misconception. No one on any RL team has been denied a visa so far. It just takes longer. Toronto is a very good bet I'd say.'"
There is quite a difference between someone entering a country for a three-day working trip, and that place being your ordinary place of residence/work.
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| Quote ="Pieman"hes not marquee'"
He's more likely to be in the marquee getting tanked up.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The flabbergasting thing is that I think most people saw something like this happening at some point but even the harshest critic of him must’ve thought he’d get through more then a months worth of training before it blew up!
If he can’t keep his head down at this point then he’s never going to be able to do it IMO. I’d love to know if he’s genuinely bothered deep down? He can say what he wants and people can say he needs help but does he think he needs help or is he actually enjoying the life he leads? I get the sense his only regrets are getting caught.'"
People like ZK have for me no self awareness and don't give a flying shoite about anyone but themselves.
Never wanted him anywhere near the club but don't take any "pleasure" in the news.
He will never change and best just let him get on and live in his world where he will probably end up in a gutter at some point.
Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if the club stand by him. He was going to rent Bateman's pad when Bateman goes over to Australia so they may think that if he resides in Wigan the club have a better chance of keeping an eye on him so to speak.
He has just bought and done up a house in Yorkshire so I cannot see how this would work because a driver ban wont stop a twonk like ZH believing that he can still drive and his partner wont move over the hill so he would just be a breath away from repeating the offence.
I don't feel sorry for the guy because he more than likely doesn't want help that some people have suggested that he needs because in his head he doesn't need help. Future statements from the club will be interesting.
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| Quote ="Fordy"How many games do you think you'll get out of him before he gets caught again???'"
Inevitable sadly, but even I thought you might actually see him play before it happened!!
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| History - even the brief history of Wigan RL - has proved that, with care and guidance, bad lads can be made into good lads. But you can't do anything with a fool.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The flabbergasting thing is that I think most people saw something like this happening at some point but even the harshest critic of him must’ve thought he’d get through more then a months worth of training before it blew up.'"
To be honest, they way he’s been behaving during his ban there was a very real possibility he’d be in prison before he even started training.
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| If Wigan keep hold of him it sends a terrible message to the rest of the team. If it were his first mistake, fine but how many now?
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| I say keep him. His counselling rehabilitation would have only just began. Reprimand him, and move on with a final warning. Let him move to Wigan and begin properly.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"To be honest, they way he’s been behaving during his ban there was a very real possibility he’d be in prison before he even started training.'" Which you would only know if you where stalking him
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"I say keep him. His counselling rehabilitation would have only just began. Reprimand him, and move on with a final warning. Let him move to Wigan and begin properly.'"
I would hazard a guess that his counseling would have started some long while ago given his track record. Difficult one for Wigan to handle and find a solution in the best interests of the club and ZH.
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| He's got enough talent to keep him at Wigan. Flog him when he s up next time.
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