Wigans arrogance in the late 80's and early 90's was unbelievable. They were the only full time club and believed they had a bottomless pit of money. Once a player atarted to shine elsewhere, he was softened up by the club connections and it was only a matter of time before he started missing training, stalling on contracts etc. In reality, it wasn't unlimited funds and the club nearly went the way of Widnes. I remember the talk about having to play at Bolton.

When they played the Wire in 90, bearing in mind that most of their players had been there a few years running, some of the Wigan players were critisizing Warringtons lack of professionalism because some of their players were waving to family in the stands pre-match. It was our first visit for 15 years FFS.

As for Lindsay. He was expecting clubs such as Wire and Widnes. Wakey and Cas, Hull, HKR to merge. How would he have felt if in the early 80's calls were made for 2nd division Wigan and Leigh to merge.

Truly arrogant club, fans and officials.

Wrong!

Game set and match Mr Rogues

When we played Widnes at Wembley in 84, check out the old photo's of the teams entering onto the pitch.

Widnes, fully focused, looking ahead - concentration all the way until the hooter sounded.
Wigan players, laughing & giggling, waving at family / wives...etc.

And guess what happened, we got battered too that day as well.


Then fast forward to Manly 87 (on Youtube) and Wigan's slow entrance to fireworks for a marked contrast, such concentration never seen since.

Another thread turning slowly into a ww/ww girly session.

Isn't this about Wire and Leeds and who will win and not about Wigans success ?

If we like it or not Wigan are the most successful team in the comps history, if they are the only pro side or not the history book shows the won 8in a row.

Wigan if you notice Wire fans only 'brag' to you and Saints, it would be safe to say it's a local rival kind of thing.
You don't get most of the other clubs from the wrong side saying we are arrogant.

back to topic, i'll go with Wire i think

Its John Woods not John Wood & he went to Bradford not Warrington after Leigh. He then went back to Leigh after Warrington.

And, bang on cue, I'll promptly disagree with you



Leeds by 10.

This is a point I always bring up re this hugely over exaggerated lie.How many Wigan born or trained lads were in this "only full time team in 10 years". Even minus the trophys we had won in that period, we would still quadruple Wires. Then again how can we argue with them about home grown talent and buying in players?How many Wires in their first choise 13? 2

So does that exonerate you? Because you sent him back a useless veteran?

I still remember that New Year's Day when he tried to pick a fight with Shaun Edwards and got absolutely battered by 17-year-old Dave Marshall.



What about all the other questions that you failed to answer. Get on with it.

As I predicted, there is no point revisiting this stuff as Wiganers will never see the blindingly obvious: that the old regime's devil-take-the-hindmost attitude almost destroyed the game and bankrupted the club TWICE!

Translated as: "Okay, I can't produce any facts or figures to support my embittered prejudice, so I'll keep re-stating these lies and generalisations over and over in the hope that those who have found me out so quickly will finally get bored and go away."

Its worrying that this bullsh*t managed to get all the way to Northamptonshire.
Never underestimate word of mouth. As stated give us some facts to back up your argument.

That poster reminds me of an equally brainless Leigh fan I once had a dispute with at the Wigan Beer Festival. He insisted that Wigan had only won everything in the 80s and 90s because they "bought all the Australian team". When I pointed out that Wigan only actually had one Australian Test player in that side - Gene Miles - and that he was there for one year, when he was a veteran - he called me a "typical Wiganer", and stormed off.

They don't like facts, these fellas.

I've had the same with a Saints fan. He claimed that the only reason we had won more than anyone else was because we were full time professionals in the 50's. The bullsh*t merry go round took a new twist that day.

seems to be the done thing around these parts at the moment. There's always been a mutual dislike between fans but now both teams are getting a sniff of success, it's escalated.

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come on Leeds!

That's actually fecking libellous.

Can a mod please do something about this chimp who keeps MAKING CRAP UP.

Back on topic. I just want a good competitive final, regardless of who wins, not a non contest like last year.

What has this got to with a "Leeds v Wire final"

My post was [iin response[/i to one posted by a Wiganer. I did not raise the subject. I have not listed the endless facts that show me to be correct because (1) it is off-topic and (2) as I said the facts have been discussed on these boards dozens of times in the past, so little point in raising the entire story again. BTW there is nothing libellous in my post, whereas yours just doles out cheap insults, a skill not beyond the grasp of a wendyball fan.

Back on topic: not many would disagree, though Rhinos or Wire fans would presumably take a win of any kind over an exciting defeat.

You haven't got any facts, never mind 'endless facts'. And no amount of excuse making as to why you can't produce them will disguise that.

You're trotting out cliches, which no doubt you heard from your embittered grandad, as you're clearly too young to remember anything about that era yourself.

100% spot on. As I've said the bullsh*t merry go round!

BTW Leeds!!

Leeds now. I wasn't so sure before, but as always, Warrington fans are the best recruiting officers in the world when it comes to drumming up support for the opposition.

Yet another thread goes off topic and down the privy.

As many people have said, this game should be a cracker on paper. In my opinion it is the best final line-up since the move back to Wembley with the first two matches Saints v Catalans and Saints v a fairly average Hull side (Washbrook and Lee were the halfbacks) being fairly predictable and one-sided matches, and with respect to last years fixture it lacked the same sense of anticipation as Leeds v Wire due to Huddersfield not being one of the "bigger" clubs and bringing so few fans to Wembley.

Leeds v Wire should see Wembley as near to sold out as possible with the Club Wembley seats in mind, and should produce an entertaining game. Leeds are a big game team who know how to win these games and are defensively excellent when required, but Tony Smith is the sort of coach who can come up with a gameplan to win the game. In last years final he dropped Rauhihi for Tyrone Mcarthy, and in this years semi final he dropped Myler for Clarke, both times with specific gameplans in mind, and it wouldn't surprise me if he has something similarly surprising in mind this time round.

As for the comments on the Challenge Cup itself. I understand and agree with the comments that the league winners have proven they are the most consistent team over the course of the year, and therefore winning the league carries merit, whilst also agreeing that winning the grand final gives you the right to call yourself "champions" which is clearly the biggest title in the game. However for me, the history of the Challenge Cup, the fact it is at the biggest and most prestigious stadium in the country, the fact that it is live on BBC TV and the fact that the feeling and emotion of seeing your team walk out at Wembley is second to none in the rugby league world means that for me the Challenge Cup will always have a special place in my heart that no other competition could match.