The coaches of our main rivals don't half make themselves look like right plonkers when they get interviewed on Sky after defeat.

Tony Smith - embarassing petulance.
Brian McDermott - embarassing sarcasm.
Royce Simmons - embarassing sulkiness.

thats where Mike Maguire really won...

I am just amazed that nobody on here yet has mentioned the Sky commentary team calling Rob Burrow by his nickname.
As for Ryan Hall good player yes best winger in the world no.

.....It's all hype. Just like Tomkins is no where near the best player in the world.....!

Putting the ball down a few times and tearing teams apart are slightly different things ......................

good point......putting the ball down scores points.

Depends where you put the ball down though

Best player in Super league though!

So people keep telling me.

Even the goons at HQ saw fit to get Tomkins extra work.......he can't be that bad a player

Intelligent people !

Tony Smith always gives bad interviews, he never makes eye contact with any one or anything .

The same intelligent people who told me Ryan Hall is the World's best winger.

I admire your tenacity for sticking with it, mate, but honestly - tonight, he looked very ordinary. Though not as ordinary as the man who 'should have automtically been selected for England' - Ryan Atkins. Good grief.

The main thing to remember is that tonight it was the best two teams in Super League, according to Sky.

I don't think he is the best winger in the world, neither do I believe Tomkins is the best player to have ever played for Wigan.

It's all hype.....and verbal nonsence that come from the Sky team.

I just

ed very hard at that....

2011 Rugby League World Magazine World XIII - International Team of the Year

1) Billy Slater (Storm)
2) Akuila Uate (Knights)
3) Greg Inglis (Rabbitohs)
4) Jamie Lyon (Sea Eagles)
5) Ryan Hall (Leeds)
6) Darren Lockyer (Broncos)
7) Johnathan Thurston (Cowboys)


James Graham (St Helens)
9) Cameron Smith (Storm)
10) Paul Gallen (Sharks)
11) Sam Thaiday (Broncos)
12) Gareth Ellis (Tigers)
13) Anthony Watmough (Sea Eagles)

That seems to suggest he's at least the joint best winger in the world...

No disrespect to Charnley, but three years ago Hall was doing everything Charnley does now - whether Charnley turns out to be as good as Hall, or even better than him, will be determined by how he progresses from here. As things stand he's a quality winger (Charnley) but plenty have turned it on for a season or two before being found out.

Ryan Hall is top class and certainly amoungst the best wingers in the world. If we compare him like for like with Charnley at the moment it's just really exciting from a Wigan and England point of view that Charnley can claim to be outplaying him currently and he has the potential to be anything he wants to be.

I think a debate i'd like to see take place more then a Hall vs Charnley one would be a Charnley vs Briscoe one! I like Briscoe but I always wonder if he's been a bit over hyped a bit too soon and the lad hasn't quite developed as I thought he may. He physically seems to get dominated against the Aussies and Kiwi's and that just doesn't happen with Hall and I doubt it would with Charnley.

What did he 'win' exactly?


I think you should make a flag about it!

I'd have a look at how they get to that team before you try to use it as evidence. Suffice to say Damo and Mr Frisk have as much credibility as some who do.

Hall is a great winger, one of the best. Right now he is better than Charnley. He is so safe and can finish really well. He has size, power and speed.

Could Hall beat a man like Charnley does though? Like in the QF?

Charnley has got the better of Hall in their last few meetings. It will be interesting to see how Charnley develops.

Lets assess the debate better when Charnley has been playing first grade for 5 years? Was Hall as good as Charnley after just one season? Not a chance.

Quote ="Odem" Was Hall as good as Charnley after just one season? Not a chance.'" depends what you mean by 'after just one season', I guess If you were to look at their stats for their first full seasons, Hall probably had the better year superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2012 but Hall was introduced more slowly into the league, after less time in the Rhinos academy both seem like special talents though, and I would have both playing for england when the internationals come about fwiw

Quote ="Odem" Was Hall as good as Charnley after just one season? Not a chance.'" depends what you mean by 'after just one season', I guess If you were to look at their stats for their first full seasons, Hall probably had the better year superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2012 but Hall was introduced more slowly into the league, after less time in the Rhinos academy both seem like special talents though, and I would have both playing for england when the internationals come about fwiw

Is this a serious question?

I guess it probably isn't. so I'll only post one laughing emoticon.

Sorry pal, I know it's hard when you've only been watching the game for one year.

Quote ="Neruda"depends what you mean by 'after just one season', I guess If you were to look at their stats for their first full seasons, Hall probably had the better year superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2012 but Hall was introduced more slowly into the league, after less time in the Rhinos academy both seem like special talents though, and I would have both playing for england when the internationals come about fwiw'" Fair comparison. Hall had already played in 2007 and 2008.

Quote ="Neruda"depends what you mean by 'after just one season', I guess If you were to look at their stats for their first full seasons, Hall probably had the better year superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2012 but Hall was introduced more slowly into the league, after less time in the Rhinos academy both seem like special talents though, and I would have both playing for england when the internationals come about fwiw'" Fair comparison. Hall had already played in 2007 and 2008.