Give the lad a break, we dont even know if anything has been said.

Think its some on here who have an attitude problem

It has been said by the player himself. However, i am not saying whether that's a bad or good thing, the lad is seeing youngsters like tomkins, eastmond, myler etc.... playing week in week out, and has that ambition for himself.

Why would a rumour as opposed to an article that appeared in the press be worse (than quotes on the press)?

Sam went public pre-2009 season in the Obbo that this was a make or break season for him.

I didn't see anyone say this was a bad attitude and IMO the "previous history of attitude problems" with Ainscough are also just rumours. 2 +2 = 5 is IMO the reason it has been taken as it has.

Dave

Sam said that he was hoping to break into the first team. Both Noble and IL said they expected him to play 10 - 15 games in the first team in 2009.

There's a BIG difference in what Ainscough is saying if it's true (which I doubt)

Shaun Wane will certainly not stand for it, he has dropped players before (and in big games) including Ainscough.

Let's see what happens.

So where does this word come from?

The article in the Obbo on Sam was about this season just gone being a make or break one for him at Wigan. Those were his words and if he had not broken into the team as he has then I doubt he would have signed a five year deal.

Ainscough is in the same boat as Sam was at the start of this season. If he doesn't get the games he may well conclude with Richards and Roberts on long term deals he will get better chances elsewhere and if he does that is obviously up to him but I don't think it would be indicative of a bad attitude. Realistic attitude more like.



I am sure given he has played under Wane Ainscough is well aware he can't force his way into the side by threatening to leave which is another reason why I view these statements (if he did make them) in the way I do and not as evidence of some sort of attitude problem.

Dave

Except that, from what we've read here, it isn't as simple as 'setting his sights on something'.

According to the original post, Ainscough has said that if he doesn't play at least 15 games next season, [uhe will leave[/u.

Read that as ambition, if you want.

I read it as a threat.

I also read it as foolishness.

The new heads of coaching both have established form for favouring youngsters and giving lads their chance. But attempting to lay down the law is hardly going to get Ainscough off on the right foot with them.

It's a pity he's done this. I've had the impression that the entire slate would be wiped clean once Maguire arrived, and that everyone would be judged on MM's own perception of their quality. Unless Ainscough has been badly misrepresented or misquoted here, it casts him in a bad light. If he has been misrepresented, he, or one of his associates, would do well to get on here double-quick and put the record straight.

I think the first things that need sorting out are his defence and ability under the high ball. Unless they have improved he wont be getting 15 games anyway!!

Hope he has improved this by the way, I like the headache our new coach will have choosing 2 wingers from Roberts, Pat and Shaun.

For the record I am ever hopeful Roberts is going to kick on in his second season like Pat did.

We dont know if he has said this, arnt we jumping the gun here?

Because all Sam said was the usual stuff young players say to the press. I.e Big season for me next year, really want to break into the first team, feel that I’m ready to make the next step up and I’m gonna work hard to be a success. It’s the same cr@p said by every young player to the press for the last 20+ years.

On the other hand Ainsough has said in ‘private’ that if doesn’t get x amount of game he’s off.

Now I know personally which one is worse from a coaches pov. There is a huge difference between the two scenarios and what’s being suggested.



As i said before there is no smoke without fire imo and there seems to be more and more stories popping up about his attitude. Are the all made up and if so by who?

Are you saying the OP is telling lies?

Check my final paragraph.

As I've already said, if it's not true that Ainscough has said this, then someone could do with coming on here and putting the record straight. At which point, I will gladly reconsider the view I've expressed.

Not at all i just read it as he had heard from someone that ainscough had said this.

I will re-read what he put and if he said ainscough has said this in his presence of course i will apologise if any offence has been caused.

Although he very well could be it’s another rumour that’s surfaced about Ainscough since his excellent introduction to the first team at Wigan.

I do tend to take most rumours with a pinch of salt but after a while when more and more of them start to appear about one player you have to start to take notice of them.

One of finest players we've produced in years and he can barely get a game. What a said indictment we're in.

OK unless this appears in the press as a direct quote from Ainscough or the club, I'd suggest everyone steers clear of making direct accusations about Ainscoughs attitude as a result of this and quite frankly calling for him to come on here and defend himself is rediculous. If it continues in that vain it will have to be locked.

Agreed. That was an OTT comment, which I regret.

It might be worth locking this thread anyway. The OP doesn't seem to be offering any facts, but still seems to have stirred up a hornet's nest.

We don't know he has done anything so why are you treating it is fact he has, which is the only way to interpret the sentence in bold?

Putting your interpretation on what he allegedly said and as a result concluding he has done something wrong to justify your original position is just perpetuating the rumour.

As to wiping the slate clean in your previous post you said



How can he have failed to respond to the new regime when Maguire hasn't even arrived yet?

Ainscough like the rest of the team will be on holiday until pre-season training starts in the middle of next month so there is no new regime doing anything not to respond to.

Dave

I agree with DaveO

I'm sure you'd love to argue about this all day, but you'll need to find someone else to argue with.

I've already said, nearly 20 minutes before you posted this, that I regret getting overexcited and that, in retrospect, I think this thread should be locked - it's based on an unfounded rumour, with no apparent evidence to back it up. In other words, we're all commenting freely on something that may not even have happened, you as much as anyone else.

So I'm out of here.

IMO Ainscoughs a perfect candidate for a season long loan, would do him the world of good and would be even better if it was another SL side. Let him have another season under BN at Celtic? I would.

I know we shouldn't go over old ground but looking at this realistically the only spot that Ainscough's going to take is Amos's, Pat and Phelps are assured of there spots Phelps because we don't have any better option and Pat because he's arguably are best player.

Forgetting this BS about playing 15 games, Ainscough will play every game next season if he can prove himself to be a better player than Amos, that all Shaun needs to think to himself.

Personally for me the stats tell there own story about who should be on the wing and that's Ainscough, a good pre season with work on his defense and ball catching technique and he'll come good.

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Why Celtic? It was Noble who dropped him the week after scoring 4 tries and never selected him again. If he goes somewhere it'd be the likes of Wakey. Personally I'd like him to stay with us and share a slot with Roberts with Shaun Wane managing his development.

I know this is an old arguement but it keeps coming back. It really is like comparing apples and oranges. The left wing sees a lot more ball than the right wing in most teams because people are predominantly right handed and can pass to the left easier and more accurately. I know it's not possible but Roberts' stats could make interesting reading if he played on the left. This is shown by the tackles made stat, 115 to Roberts and 40 to Ainscough.

Looking at metres per carry, Roberts makes 8.3m and Ainscough makes 7.8m.

There's not really that much between the 2 of them but I'd prefer Roberts to be there rather than Ainscough. I think he's a cleverer player.

Just because i think he'll get games there, Salford is another. See how he plays when hes first choice. I cant see him getting first team rugby at Wigan. Pat is a first team must these days, and Roberts has been brought in on a very very very good contract, 4 years and a good wedge. No way Amos will rotate in the reserves for 3 years with SA.