Fancy discussing rugby on a rugby board.

it was a performance that should and would win 99/100 Grand Finals. 85% completion, low handling errors etc.

No complaints as it was a coin toss who would win. We came up short. There is no shame in losing a game like that. I did think Saints on reflection deserved it. Their pack was on top. We were kicking deep within our own half practically all game. Felt we were the more dangerous with ball in hand. Game of inches, Zak's kick hitting the crossbar etc.

The best Grand Final in history without a doubt. Tragedy no fans were there to see it live.

Was good to see your horrible pack get smashed all over the park. Love to bully the smaller forwards in SL with cheap shots but against a pack like ours are just no match. How many yards did singleton make? Bet it wasn’t even double figures?

I feel sorry for your backs. They are quality but your pack is just garbage.

I feel sorry for your three quarters, must be horrible waiting in vain for a pass that's never going to come, entertainers my .

I wouldn’t even rise to his comment haha. He’s a little melt.

Yep not for the first time the bloke has been a liability

Just spent 2 mins reading redvee (its all i could stand), typically gracious comments as you would expect

They never change to they lol

For me he's the one whose place is most under threat next season, with Bateman back and hopefully Havard back to fitness I'd have Isa, Partington and Shorrocks in front of him, Smithies is a grafter no doubt but he's always going to have a brain fart in him and IMO he offers very little in attack.

He’s VERY limited in what he does and I don’t think we have room for him and Shorrocks who is equally the same.

You could point at any number of things - how about Farrell's two high shots? One pit us on the back foot for the first 10 minutes and the other put Saints in our 20 with 10 minutes to go.

Poor discipline and lack of go forward caused by poor recruitment are probably the main two factors for me.

But I still find it very hard to criticise - I thought we played well and the effort was huge.

We did. We were superb in fact.

However, we still lost due to our mistakes. We can't just brush them all under the carpet because we played well.

Effort was huge, but it was a game devoid of skill.

Some people have text me since full time telling me what a great advert for the game it was. I haven't had the heart to text them back.

Are you suggesting it was a poor game?

I'd say errors were pretty minimal from both sides from memory, and any form of attack was just shut out by quality defence.

I'd watch a game like that 50 times before I would watch a 30 point rout or a game where sides forget to tackle.

No, I'm not suggesting it was a poor game to watch.

There was a distinct lack of skill on display though. St Helens in particular had no idea how to break down our defence despite their domination.

I was amazed that Tommy's shot on Graham was not penalised. Those are the breaks.

Of all the replays I’ve watched, the best bit is Makinson running up to Partington after the video ref gives the try. It’s quality. A golden boot to a nobody.

I'd have Makinson here in a heartbeat, 20+ tries a year guaranteed, it must be so frustrating playing for a barge it up the middle mob like Saints

I worry about people who join forums and know sweet FA about the topic. But if you stay round long enough and get that big chip off your shoulder then you might learn something. If you want a good starting point have a look at the history books that cover rugby league, there you will regularly see the name of the greatest rugby team in history, I'll give you a tip it is not Saints. By the way, I would have been worried about Makinson running up to me given his past form.

Typical you've just won grand final and more interested in winding a wigan player up ,just confirms your obsession with all things wigan

The worst thing about saints winning is we are stuck with stephanie now

He's had more re-incarnations than Dr Who that Mon!

What a great game. Two brilliant team performances in different ways.

You have to take off your hat to the conditioning of the Wigan players. To be on the back foot like that for essentially the entire game without creaking is frankly ridiculous.

It was a great game and all 34 players should be proud of providing such a game of intensity.

Many, many years back, think it was a Lancs Cup Final derby game no tries scored (5-4 Wigan) that was one of the best games ever, the Grand Final at the weekend was very similar.

In my 39 years of supporting this club I'm thinking back to when I saw a more intense game than that one, bearing in mind the prize awaiting the eventual winners
The only one I can really compare that to was our WCC game vs Manly in 87.

I'm still gutted but now going through the 'acceptance' stage in the grieving process. I was to talking to someone yesterday and I said that part of me would have taken this defeat easier had we lost something like 18-6. I think the whole roller-coaster ride did it for me (chasing the game, taking the lead, late penalty equaliser, arm wrestle for territory for a drop goal, our last minute penalty to win it, despair with the miss and not making it dead, Saints drop goal hitting the post after the hooter, then that try.....