Wow - Was getting eye strain reading through that lot



Bottom line - If you want an ENGLAND team to win TOURNAMENTS
Then get a decent NATIONAL coach,Not some half baked banana who believes the media hype


By 2013 You'd better have a team based around all the young blokes currently on the rise,(by then they SHOULD be battle hardened) & allow them to gell as a unit.
The core of the Roos was the core of the maroons.They don't need to worry about 2nd guessing each other because they're a unit.

I am not sure any coach (even Bennett) would be able to transform England into a winning team. I think the issue is not entirely with individual players (even though some did have poor games). The big difference for me is that ALL the Australians play with their heads up - they are aware of what is going on in the game and what is needed - plus they have superb leaders at 6,7 and 9. So they can spot weaknesses or opportunities and take advantage and do not panic if things do not work out - they just keep going.

England on the other hand have too many players who play heads down drive it in and do not read the game so just go through the same things time after time (at times I though we were back to having Noble as coach 5 drives and a poor kick). When we do try and break out of that it is panic stations with stupid off-loads or players running down a blind alley time after time. We do not play to a well defined and drilled structure.

Until we can produce players across the pitch who play smarter we will never beat the Aussies when it matters because we will always be at a disadvantage. I honestly cannot think of any English players who have the game sense of the likes of Thurston, Lockyer and Smith (and that is not taking into account their playing skills as well).

Using the "other people have been idiots on our board" as an excuse isn't something that shows people in a good light.

First of all you used the word idiot not me.

second it was you bragging about site traffic. Leeds traffic over the years blows wigans out of the water. One and a half seasons of doing well in SL has brought you into the light but don't get carried away mate.

Third the only place I know you from is trolling on the Leeds board. Obviously being a local yourself it's good banter which I've said to you before it's what its all about on these boards.

fourth after the McGuire thread on review I've no need to worry about been seen in a good light.

But to get this thread back on topic which is the part of my post you ignored. I thought with you been a mod you migh have engaged in RL talk?

Blaming individuals for a team loss is daft. Tomkin and sini are 2 of a few players who are SL's best by a mile.

I do engage in RL talk, perhaps if you'd looked you wouldn't have posted the rubbish above.

Just because you've been pulled up for childishly trying to derail a thread don't continue it by trying to make excuses for your childish behaviour. If you've got a problem with the moderation process PM the admin rather than making excuses on this thread.

Consider this your last warning. Thank you.

The reason we are so crap against the Aussies is they are used to playing high intensity games every week whereas half the teams in super league are e and its a stroll for the bigger clubs. This means our England players arent put under constant pressure every game and a lot of times get away with making poor decisions due to the poor quality of the opposition.

Until super league becomes more competitive on a high quality level, not just restricting the big clubs spending to drag them down to the crap teams level we will never get near Australia on a consistent basis.

I would start by cutting down super league to ensure more high quality games more often rather 40-50 nil drubbings.

get your head out of your mate.Its a team effort and u cant single out one player because he spilled 3 kicks!

We were too reliant on Sinfield's kicking game and it wasn't up to scratch. It was so predictable when he was going to kick on the 4th tackle and his poor kicks just gifted them field position. Then when we did throw the ball around, some individuals would spend too much time on the ball (mainly Chase).

I think a different coach would bring more structure to the team, but I think the players just weren't up to it. Soon as Lomax is fit he will be in the England team ahead of Sinfield and I'd have either Sam or Widdop in the halves with Lomax with the other at FB. Chase should of came on from the bench, or should not be included at all.

Saying that though, it's the first tournament most of these players have played together and we played some very good rugby at times. This team will only get better, its just unfortunate that Australia are too good.

Lomax isnt fit to lace sinfields boots let alone take his shirt.

You're a week late with that analogy.

Sinfield's a great player, but is far too inconsistent for England.

Going on Sinfield's 4 Nations performances I would say he is, even Briers had more of an impact in a poor Wales team than he did.

The game was lost in the basics of the game. Forwards need to lay a platform for backs to play. Englands forwards never made the yards or dominated the tackle. The backs simply got no decent ball.

If you swapped all the english backs with their aussie counterparts England would have still struggled to win with little field position and go-forward.

I also think that we do suffer from being in awe of the aussies. I even thought we would get beat the moment they scored in the opening minutes. Is this feeling of inevitability 'in-built' into me and every other english rl supporter/player from years of failure?

I would think if hall doesn't get it sinfield will get man of the series. I've watched the game a few times now and the funny thing is the Aussie media think England were good (few lucky calls aside). all the poms can do as fans is be divided. Wigan fans blaming sinfield! Most other clubs blaming tomkin, roby Morley and of course sinfield. Yes wakey fans we know it was chases fault!

It's pathetic

If Sinfield got man of the series now that would be pathetic. The whole point of his inclusion was for his kicking game and it wasn't up to it. I reckon Sam would have done a better job in the halves. It's got nothing to do with me being a Wigan fan, Sinfield just wasn't up to it, same as Sam but the difference being Sam received very little support from his teammates.

Don't be so dismissive.

You don't need to be a Saints fan to work out Sam wasn't very good. Cas fans can see that Chase was dreadful. Not only Rovers fans spotted that Briscoe was all over the place at times.

Far too many of England's supposedly 'big' players didn't perform, and Sinfield is in that bracket.

For our pack to be smashed in the way it did on Saturday is a big worry as we are supposed to have the better pack and they have the better backs.

In esscence they have the better squad and a better will to win IMO, to blame one individual is nothing far short of idiocy by those who do so !

Tim Sheens said we need to build on this tournament as we beat NZ and pushed the aussies in both games yet we now go back into the international shell for best part of 18 months unless the proposed tour to NZ Comes off, which is the worry

Have you thought that Tomkin, sinfield, chase performed just as they are, good players in a pretty average comp. What is needed for those players to improve is to get a tougher test week in week out. No doubt they can play the game. But with the level of ability they have a tougher test would see improvement in their individual games.

If Sinfield gets man of the series it will be a bigger farce than Chase getting MOS. Sinfield not only cost us the first try with a stupid ball steal he also kicked absolutely shockingly. Theres no excuse for kicking the ball down the throat of the full back at international level. No way am i blaming him for losing but he was one of the players who had a stinker with about 5 or 6 others including Sam imo. We needed our big players to step up and none did. There was no leadership and no idea.

The Aussie media dont think we are good, they are just pitying us.

I live here pal. Sheens is under the most fire down here. The selection of the Aussies is a massive subject down here. How Hannett, Mateo and others didn't make the team is a mystery down here.

We dont have the better forwards and we never (recently) have, it's just something the Sky muppets like to say. Yes players like Ellis, Burgess, Graham, O'Loughlin are world class but are definitely not better than people like Scott, Gallen and Thaiday. Morley and Peacock are passed it at that level, Wilkin is too lightweight, I thought JJB and when he was finally used Carvell had excellent tournaments though. I cant see a place for Heighington in the squad when Burgess and Lockers are fit.

I think the pack that is equal to the Aussies myth has been well and truly put to rest. Sinfield on an hiding to nothing played at SO behind a losing pack; he does not have the quickness of a genuine half to read the defence and react accordingly. Roby has no running game when the pack is losing ground and his passing is easily read and he lacks the kicking game to keep the defence guessing; he did not lack effort.

The whole team fell into a one out game, no one offered any of the runners options so the defence had an easy time of it. Tomkins efforts under the high ball were not of the standard expected of a top class FB. No one had the self belief to try something unexpected. Briers was playing with the weakest team in the competition but he had the guts to try something different, he actually had the Aussie defence confused for a while and its a ploy that Eng were unable to use through either fear of failure or coaches orders. We know that the players can play off the cuff RL but they are too scared to try and win the game and hope to grind out the win.

You dont have to convince me who has the better pack i dont fall for the media drivel , the results say it all simple as that !
However this is the one area you would think we should be strong but time and time again we are found wanting

Maybe he is but that doesnt make us good. It also doesnt matter how many Aussies say that we are good/decent/not bad either, i dont believe them.

They could select who they want but until we strive to improve super league we aint gonna win jack poop.

totally true

How did he prove he is the second best fullback in the world?