You explain why wigan fans should be having nightmares because warrington are signing Myler ??

Posting a 7 page thread on the topic.

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As Tony Smith always say, the media always blow things out of proportion. Chances are, it is nowhere near 300k. But, if it is then why are we arguing? We have the money to spend with plenty to spend. We are set to lose 3 high players at the end of the season, which will free space on the cap.

Whether he is worth all of this "300k", only time will tell. But, Tony Smith has obviously had his eye on him for some time and obviously genuinely thinks that Myler will be that half back that we need in the squad with Monas moving to 9.

He may well be the worst signing in our history, but a full pre-season with Smith and our coaching staff could make him one helluva player come the 2010 season. But eh who knows.

In Smith We Trust.

You still dont get it do you?

It's not the clubs money, its Simon Morans. He can spend it how he sees fit if he wants to

Its a transfer fee, makes bugger all difference to the salary cap.

One thinks you need to check the record books. The Wire signed Andy Greg on the eve of the Challenge Cup deadline and paid a world record fee at that time.

A year or two later I wonder who splashed the cash out for his services



Maybe you were thinking of Janathan Davies, now that was a good piece of business for the Wire.

Exactly.

Atkins & Myler would improve our team, are English and I struggle to understand a) how Warrington can afford more top players and b) why once again we dont seem to even have an interest.

Very simple. So far this year we have released Gleeson and Reardon. Mathers is in, as is Carney (who probably won't be with us next year).

I would think we have some money free from Gleeson's salary.

Add to this the fact that we could easily release the likes of Johnson and Rauhihi, and there is free income.

I can absolutely see where the money is coming from this year, how you managed to get under it with the squad you had at the start of the season is another thing, but we don't know the ins and outs etc etc.

I still think we cannot be judged as a squad until we get Fielden et al off the wages they are on. Fieldens wage is that of a World Class player, our squad would look 10x better if Fielden was someone like Peacock, who wouldn't be on anymore money.

The pack looks weak, and the squad looks weak, because Fielden is weak but taking up a massive wage. There are others as well, but i don't think anywhere near as many as when Mo was about.

IL is living off the Fielden wage if you know what i mean. No big changes once hes gone THEN questions needs to be ask about IL

How much do we think Fielden actually earns. It can't be more than 120k can it?

I'll go 250k plus.

That is a lot. I think our top player is on about 170-180.

Our squad is not the best in the league, and others are under the SC, so I have no doubts we are.

People talk about the big players like Morley, King, Briers, Carvell etc. but then our squad contains a lot of players who surely can't be on massive wages, the likes of Grix, Bridge, Mathers, Riley, Hicks, Clarke, Harrison, Blythe, Cooper etc.

The fact is none of us know people's salaries.

I could sit here and say no way you are under the cap because you have the likes of Richards, Gleeson, Roberts, O'Loughlin, Hock, Smith, Fielden, Feka etc. but in reality, I wouldn't have a clue what they are on.

Fair enough I suppose Gleeson & Rauhihi are on big money and Reardon/Johnson on enough to make way for Atkins/Myler.

If you look at the amount of injuries our squad has had this season then imagine if Mo was still here, instead of having 4/5 solid decent players, he's have paid over the odds for an old aussie, and we'd be struggling with injuries every week.

In the age of the cap you have to set aside a certain amount of money for "Marquee" signings and then use the rest to get decent/good players that will do a good job on a normal wage, but you have to have a decent sized squad to be able to cope with the rigours of this league. Fielden taking up probably more than 1 top class players salary does seriously hamper us with recruitment.

We were very thin as a squad during the last few Mo years and that did lead to sometimes putting out some seriously weakened sides, but we were missing our entire first choice back row a couple of weeks ago and still managed to put one out that was better than most. Granted lots were youngsters from the academy/reserves, but they wouldn't have been there without better cap management.

I'm a big IL supporter, i think the squad overall looks a lot stronger than a few years ago with regards to numbers and home grown players, but we are lacking a top class intimidating metre making prop, all of which Fielden is supposed to be, and with the wage he's on SHOULD BE!

Swap Fielden for Peacock/Morley/Graham we would be up near the top challenging for trophies.

I would be very happy to give Fieldens wage to Graham

Reading comprehension FTW!!!!!

It was SARCASM about how ALL teams signed the best players they could for the money it took to get them, hence WARRINGTON getting Andy Greg from WIDNES and paying a reported world record fee for him - contrary to the opinion that the only team ever to pay money for players being Wigan spouted by some people around.

I am honestly happy for the genuine Warrington fans, it's good to see the club having potential success again as I always found them a really good tough team in the 80s.

And to be brutally honest this is what gets my goat about the revisionist balls spouted by some, it does a great injustice to the history of many clubs: Warrington, Hull, Hull KR, Widnes, Saints - rugby league was ANYTHING but one sided Wigan dominance in the 80s like some people try to make out. I saw some fantastic matches, and suffered plenty of defeats and saw good sides, good rugby and good players from many teams.

I get you there, and you bought him for peanuts from us thenicon_wink.gif

Read the rest of the above as i was editing it.

And i was never saying we didn't pay good money for players like Andy Greg, but we were far from the only team in that game like some people try and pretend.

It's just easier for some people from some clubs (and i'm not even putting yourself in this category) to play the victim.

The thing is I was there, and watching the games, not just reeling off some clichéd rhetoric about something I know nothing about.

Steve Ella, I get what you are saying although during th decade of sucess you may have had some great battles and some losses but the record speaks for itself. Even the better teams of the day would compete with you for 60 minutes then your fitness and quality would kick in and you would run away with games. Of course you slipped up every now and again but you got back on the wagon and victories continued.

My team had some tremendous battles with yourselves in the 80s and 90s but if you look at the overall results against the other better at the time teams i.e. Leeds and Saints, Widnes and also Halifax I would imagine the stats are heavily in your favour.

As an opposition fan (especially Wire fans) Wigan were the team to beat but it was seldom done unfortunately and your consecutive appearences in Finals and Championships was seen as the game was going stale. We went into games with thr hope we would get one over you but most times it wasn't to be. I was also around during that time an remember the opinions of the Wigan club and unfortunaely to some of us the attitude of certain members of your club has stuck and that is why you still get the reaction from some fans of certain clubs .

Until the introductionof SL then it all changed thankfully. At least the honours are being spread out over the last decade with a number of teams winning the comps. Also we are now competing with Wigan infact have a fairly good record over recent years



Anyway too late for all this my spellings going to pot off to bed no

Good Night

It's interesting how you can have such a different perspective of it - go back and do a proper analysis of the super league period versus the equivalent number of years prior to it. I think you'd be surprised to find a lot of it was a lot closer than you think.



Seasons won that were really close hard seasons:

1989/1990 League Championship (Wigan won by 4 points over Leeds with Widnes/Bradford/Saints within 6). Knocked out of Lancashire cup Oldham, Premiership trophy by Bradford

1990/1991 League Championship (Wigan won by 2 points over Widnes on the LAST day of the season). Knocked out of the Lancashire cup by Widnes, Regal trophy by Bradford, Premiership trophy by Featherstone


1992/1993 League Championship (2 way split points difference decider: Wigan/Saints. Lost in Premiership trophy final to Saints

1993/1994 League Championship (3 way split decided on points difference: Wigan/Bradford/Warrington). Lost in Regal trophy final - Hammered by Castleford

Seasons where Wigan failed to win:

1987/1988 League Championship (Wigan came THIRD by 4 points to Widnes, Saints/Bradford/Wigan level on points)
1988/1989 League Championship (Wigan LOST by 3 points to Widnes, with Leeds 3rd)


Seasons where we were dominant in the League:

1986/1987 Freakish Season with Ellery Hanley scoring 59 tries and playing out of his incredibly talented skin, yet we were still knocked out of the challenge cup away at Oldham in our first round on a freezing night (I was there). The biggest Season for Wigan in the past 30 years (we hadn't won the league for 27 years)

1991/1992 Won by 8 points, but still got knocked out of the Lancashire Cup (knocked out by Saints) and the Regal Trophy (knocked out by Salford)

[i1994/1995 Centenary season - if we'd had this side and they'd played like they did that season for the 10 years, then you'd be right to claim we were totally dominant.[/i

The PRE FULL SALARY CAP Super League year:

We then still managed to lose Super League 1 to Saints who had *cough* put their hand in their pockets and bought players *cough*, and got knocked out of the Challenge cup by Salford. And all this prior to the introduction of a full salary cap (dispensations made for "GB" players etc)

Honestly mate it was a hell of a lot closer time than some peoples memory is lending them to believe, or than who's own supporters at the time thought it was far from a forgone conclusion.

Honestly i'm pleased to see other teams doing well, especially outside of the "big four", above any club partisanship i'm a rugby league fan, but please don't tarnish the memories and achievements of multiple teams over the years.

And yes this is all massively off-topic, I just fear we're heading towards football, were opposing sides spew bile and vitriol, debate is thrown aside over trolling and points scoring, and history sadly falls by the wayside.

Back on topic, if anybody wants to pay 300k for Myler, they're more than welcome to do it and nothing wrong with it. I hope overall the money helps Salford and they can put it to good use.

Unproven? Only one other halfback in SL has more tries and assists than him combined and that is Danny Orr and take into account that Richie has only played 18 games in a very poor side. I think it would be a great idea to have a long hard to think before you post, as for comparisons to Eastmond and Myler I think they all offer something but at the moment it's clear that Myler offers more. I'd like to point out as well that it isn't £300k it's nowhere near that.