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| How about Blake Ayshford, Wests are allowing him to speak to Other clubs due to salary cap issues. It was discussed on the Dragons v Wests game this week.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The good thing for us though is that out most pivotal players like Sam, Joel, O'Loughlin, Leuluai and Richards are all on the right side of 30 and some by a distance. That can't be said about Leeds and when you look at your most important players in recent years guys like Webb, Senior, Peacock etc are all pretty close to the end and you don't seem to be producing quality youngsters in the numbers you were.
Some big decisions need to be made at Leeds in the next couple of months if they're not to be left behind.'" you have tommy Tomkins and Richards we have McGuire(by far our best player), burrow and hall. Plus sinfield is the perfect pro. Sinfield doesn't drink lives a good life. Sini at 30 + is still top draw.
Sinfield McGuire and burrow(who is playing great despite some around him not turning up) are our best players. You are right about peacock though.
As for the kids or lack of. I would say, bjb, Watkins, mcshane, Clarkson, hood, ward, singleton, stewart, dan smith and wilson say different
Plus we have bought a few kids hardaker who is simpley class and Pitts, Amor and ambler who are playing good reagular at sl level
Remember hall and ablett are still young as is lee smith
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"How about Blake Ayshford, Wests are allowing him to speak to Other clubs due to salary cap issues. It was discussed on the Dragons v Wests game this week.'"
Would be a great replacement for George. Really rate him and still got his best years ahead of him.
I was under the impression he had signed long term for Wests and am surprised he is being forced out due to the cap.
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| Quote ="jonh"Would be a great replacement for George. Really rate him and still got his best years ahead of him.
I was under the impression he had signed long term for Wests and am surprised he is being forced out due to the cap.'"
I was the same. Was surprised to hear Gus Gould etc discussing how Wests are willing to let him speak to other clubs. Hopefully IL will be investigating as we speak.
Lawrence is also a fantastic centre IMO, however I can't see him coming to SL anytime soon.
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| He strikes me as a player that would really go well in SL, not a superstar but a great work ethic and attitude, good pace hands and footwork and excellent defence. Would be the perfect player to step straight into Carmonts shoes.
I would love one of the top names to come over but realistically I think he would be an excellent signing, anything better than him would be a real bonus.
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| Quote ="jonh"He strikes me as a player that would really go well in SL, not a superstar but a great work ethic and attitude, good pace hands and footwork and excellent defence. Would be the perfect player to step straight into Carmonts shoes.
I would love one of the top names to come over but realistically I think he would be an excellent signing, anything better than him would be a real bonus.'"
Totally agree. Would be the ideal signing at this stage. I hope he's on IL radar. Currently, apart from King, I have no idea where the signing is coming from.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/article-1394142/EXCLUSIVE-Sculthorpe-ready-cross-divide-join-Wigan.html'"
In his guise as a Saint I couldn't stand the bloke but in his capacity as a RL player I've got a lot of respect for Scully, IMO he has a lot to give the team. I suppose that if there is any foundation in the rumour it is a decision that hasn't been taken lightly and that a lot of thought has been put into it.
If you look at Lowes who left Bradford to go to Warrington and is now at Leeds, I don't think there is necessarily room for sentiment in RL nowadays when you're trying to earn a living and at the end of the day Scully is from Oldham and played for Warrington as well.
I'd rather have the best set up possible at Wigan next season and if Sculthorpe is part of that then so be it! IL hasn't let us down so far!
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Stefan Ratchford scored a hat-trick yesterday. Apparently he has racked up 10 tries for the season, but SLstats reckon he's on 7 (perhaps it hasn't updated). news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501244.stm
Looking at his stats compared to George Carmont:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
He comes up very well considering how good George is, the difference in the two sides and the serious age gap between them. At 22, with the right conditioning (preferably he could bulk up in the off-season) would he not be worth signing next season? Two year deal to see how this lad progresses?
He's capable of playing right across the backline, but seems to be moulding into a capable centre. With Karl Pryce set to join Gleeson, Carmont and Deacon leaving Wigan he could just bolster our strength in depth so our backline isn't depleted. We have shown the patience to see how players develop - like Karl Pryce for example. Why not give it a shot with Ratchford? Other clubs are doing it - Hull FC have just signed a young English halfback from Leigh. A trend I think will continue with clubs taking a chance in developing young English talent. I realise some people may argue that we're a club that doesn't need to, but are we? When should this club not be investing in young English talent? It doesn't always have to come from our academy and it wont all come from our academy either.
We're heading into a period where English talent will be at the fulcrum of every single club with it becoming increasingly difficult to bring overseas players over with the NRL salary cap rising and the quota coming down. With a serious lack of options to recruit a centre/halfback next year - Ratchford could prove to be a very shrewd signing.
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Stefan Ratchford scored a hat-trick yesterday. Apparently he has racked up 10 tries for the season, but SLstats reckon he's on 7 (perhaps it hasn't updated). news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501244.stm
Looking at his stats compared to George Carmont:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
He comes up very well considering how good George is, the difference in the two sides and the serious age gap between them. At 22, with the right conditioning (preferably he could bulk up in the off-season) would he not be worth signing next season? Two year deal to see how this lad progresses?
He's capable of playing right across the backline, but seems to be moulding into a capable centre. With Karl Pryce set to join Gleeson, Carmont and Deacon leaving Wigan he could just bolster our strength in depth so our backline isn't depleted. We have shown the patience to see how players develop - like Karl Pryce for example. Why not give it a shot with Ratchford? Other clubs are doing it - Hull FC have just signed a young English halfback from Leigh. A trend I think will continue with clubs taking a chance in developing young English talent. I realise some people may argue that we're a club that doesn't need to, but are we? When should this club not be investing in young English talent? It doesn't always have to come from our academy and it wont all come from our academy either.
We're heading into a period where English talent will be at the fulcrum of every single club with it becoming increasingly difficult to bring overseas players over with the NRL salary cap rising and the quota coming down. With a serious lack of options to recruit a centre/halfback next year - Ratchford could prove to be a very shrewd signing.
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Quote ="cadoo"Stefan Ratchford scored a hat-trick yesterday. Apparently he has racked up 10 tries for the season, but SLstats reckon he's on 7 (perhaps it hasn't updated). news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501244.stm
Looking at his stats compared to George Carmont:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
He comes up very well considering how good George is, the difference in the two sides and the serious age gap between them. At 22, with the right conditioning (preferably he could bulk up in the off-season) would he not be worth signing next season? Two year deal to see how this lad progresses?
He's capable of playing right across the backline, but seems to be moulding into a capable centre. With Karl Pryce set to join Gleeson, Carmont and Deacon leaving Wigan he could just bolster our strength in depth so our backline isn't depleted. We have shown the patience to see how players develop - like Karl Pryce for example. Why not give it a shot with Ratchford? Other clubs are doing it - Hull FC have just signed a young English halfback from Leigh. A trend I think will continue with clubs taking a chance in developing young English talent. I realise some people may argue that we're a club that doesn't need to, but are we? When should this club not be investing in young English talent? It doesn't always have to come from our academy and it wont all come from our academy either.
We're heading into a period where English talent will be at the fulcrum of every single club with it becoming increasingly difficult to bring overseas players over with the NRL salary cap rising and the quota coming down. With a serious lack of options to recruit a centre/halfback next year - Ratchford could prove to be a very shrewd signing.'"
Hes a decent attacking player but his stats for errors, penalties and missed tackles are worrying.
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Quote ="cadoo"Stefan Ratchford scored a hat-trick yesterday. Apparently he has racked up 10 tries for the season, but SLstats reckon he's on 7 (perhaps it hasn't updated). news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501244.stm
Looking at his stats compared to George Carmont:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
He comes up very well considering how good George is, the difference in the two sides and the serious age gap between them. At 22, with the right conditioning (preferably he could bulk up in the off-season) would he not be worth signing next season? Two year deal to see how this lad progresses?
He's capable of playing right across the backline, but seems to be moulding into a capable centre. With Karl Pryce set to join Gleeson, Carmont and Deacon leaving Wigan he could just bolster our strength in depth so our backline isn't depleted. We have shown the patience to see how players develop - like Karl Pryce for example. Why not give it a shot with Ratchford? Other clubs are doing it - Hull FC have just signed a young English halfback from Leigh. A trend I think will continue with clubs taking a chance in developing young English talent. I realise some people may argue that we're a club that doesn't need to, but are we? When should this club not be investing in young English talent? It doesn't always have to come from our academy and it wont all come from our academy either.
We're heading into a period where English talent will be at the fulcrum of every single club with it becoming increasingly difficult to bring overseas players over with the NRL salary cap rising and the quota coming down. With a serious lack of options to recruit a centre/halfback next year - Ratchford could prove to be a very shrewd signing.'"
Hes a decent attacking player but his stats for errors, penalties and missed tackles are worrying.
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Quote ="cadoo"Stefan Ratchford scored a hat-trick yesterday. Apparently he has racked up 10 tries for the season, but SLstats reckon he's on 7 (perhaps it hasn't updated). news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501244.stm
Looking at his stats compared to George Carmont:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
He comes up very well considering how good George is, the difference in the two sides and the serious age gap between them. At 22, with the right conditioning (preferably he could bulk up in the off-season) would he not be worth signing next season? Two year deal to see how this lad progresses?
He's capable of playing right across the backline, but seems to be moulding into a capable centre. With Karl Pryce set to join Gleeson, Carmont and Deacon leaving Wigan he could just bolster our strength in depth so our backline isn't depleted. We have shown the patience to see how players develop - like Karl Pryce for example. Why not give it a shot with Ratchford? Other clubs are doing it - Hull FC have just signed a young English halfback from Leigh. A trend I think will continue with clubs taking a chance in developing young English talent. I realise some people may argue that we're a club that doesn't need to, but are we? When should this club not be investing in young English talent? It doesn't always have to come from our academy and it wont all come from our academy either.
We're heading into a period where English talent will be at the fulcrum of every single club with it becoming increasingly difficult to bring overseas players over with the NRL salary cap rising and the quota coming down. With a serious lack of options to recruit a centre/halfback next year - Ratchford could prove to be a very shrewd signing.'"
Look at Charnleys stats compared to joel monaghan, stats are very misleading IMO.
Saying that though, I do think Ratchford has potential. I would be pleased if we signed him but each way I wouldnt be that bothered if he signed for St Helens or Warrington.
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Quote ="cadoo"Stefan Ratchford scored a hat-trick yesterday. Apparently he has racked up 10 tries for the season, but SLstats reckon he's on 7 (perhaps it hasn't updated). news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501244.stm
Looking at his stats compared to George Carmont:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
He comes up very well considering how good George is, the difference in the two sides and the serious age gap between them. At 22, with the right conditioning (preferably he could bulk up in the off-season) would he not be worth signing next season? Two year deal to see how this lad progresses?
He's capable of playing right across the backline, but seems to be moulding into a capable centre. With Karl Pryce set to join Gleeson, Carmont and Deacon leaving Wigan he could just bolster our strength in depth so our backline isn't depleted. We have shown the patience to see how players develop - like Karl Pryce for example. Why not give it a shot with Ratchford? Other clubs are doing it - Hull FC have just signed a young English halfback from Leigh. A trend I think will continue with clubs taking a chance in developing young English talent. I realise some people may argue that we're a club that doesn't need to, but are we? When should this club not be investing in young English talent? It doesn't always have to come from our academy and it wont all come from our academy either.
We're heading into a period where English talent will be at the fulcrum of every single club with it becoming increasingly difficult to bring overseas players over with the NRL salary cap rising and the quota coming down. With a serious lack of options to recruit a centre/halfback next year - Ratchford could prove to be a very shrewd signing.'"
Look at Charnleys stats compared to joel monaghan, stats are very misleading IMO.
Saying that though, I do think Ratchford has potential. I would be pleased if we signed him but each way I wouldnt be that bothered if he signed for St Helens or Warrington.
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Quote ="cadoo"Stefan Ratchford scored a hat-trick yesterday. Apparently he has racked up 10 tries for the season, but SLstats reckon he's on 7 (perhaps it hasn't updated). news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501244.stm
Looking at his stats compared to George Carmont:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
He comes up very well considering how good George is, the difference in the two sides and the serious age gap between them. At 22, with the right conditioning (preferably he could bulk up in the off-season) would he not be worth signing next season? Two year deal to see how this lad progresses?
He's capable of playing right across the backline, but seems to be moulding into a capable centre. With Karl Pryce set to join Gleeson, Carmont and Deacon leaving Wigan he could just bolster our strength in depth so our backline isn't depleted. We have shown the patience to see how players develop - like Karl Pryce for example. Why not give it a shot with Ratchford? Other clubs are doing it - Hull FC have just signed a young English halfback from Leigh. A trend I think will continue with clubs taking a chance in developing young English talent. I realise some people may argue that we're a club that doesn't need to, but are we? When should this club not be investing in young English talent? It doesn't always have to come from our academy and it wont all come from our academy either.
We're heading into a period where English talent will be at the fulcrum of every single club with it becoming increasingly difficult to bring overseas players over with the NRL salary cap rising and the quota coming down. With a serious lack of options to recruit a centre/halfback next year - Ratchford could prove to be a very shrewd signing.'"
I currently don't see a better option and I love the fact he can play anywhere in the backline.
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Quote ="cadoo"Stefan Ratchford scored a hat-trick yesterday. Apparently he has racked up 10 tries for the season, but SLstats reckon he's on 7 (perhaps it hasn't updated). news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 501244.stm
Looking at his stats compared to George Carmont:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011
He comes up very well considering how good George is, the difference in the two sides and the serious age gap between them. At 22, with the right conditioning (preferably he could bulk up in the off-season) would he not be worth signing next season? Two year deal to see how this lad progresses?
He's capable of playing right across the backline, but seems to be moulding into a capable centre. With Karl Pryce set to join Gleeson, Carmont and Deacon leaving Wigan he could just bolster our strength in depth so our backline isn't depleted. We have shown the patience to see how players develop - like Karl Pryce for example. Why not give it a shot with Ratchford? Other clubs are doing it - Hull FC have just signed a young English halfback from Leigh. A trend I think will continue with clubs taking a chance in developing young English talent. I realise some people may argue that we're a club that doesn't need to, but are we? When should this club not be investing in young English talent? It doesn't always have to come from our academy and it wont all come from our academy either.
We're heading into a period where English talent will be at the fulcrum of every single club with it becoming increasingly difficult to bring overseas players over with the NRL salary cap rising and the quota coming down. With a serious lack of options to recruit a centre/halfback next year - Ratchford could prove to be a very shrewd signing.'"
I currently don't see a better option and I love the fact he can play anywhere in the backline.
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| [urlhttp://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/rabbitohs-keen-to-sign-fien-20110604-1fm4s.html[/url
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This is not good from Madge if true.
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This is not good from Madge if true.'"
This has been said before. Not good if Maguire is tapping up our players.
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| Quote ="Smooth Stu"This has been said before. Not good if Maguire is tapping up our players.
[size=200=#FF0000MAGUIRE OUT![/size'"
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| Quote ="Smooth Stu"This has been said before. Not good if Maguire is tapping up our players.
[size=200=#FF0000MAGUIRE OUT![/size'"
This has to one some sort of award for idiotic post of the week, month or year??
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"The Sun-Herald can reveal that incoming Rabbitohs coach Michael Maguire had initially sounded out his Wigan playmaker, Thomas Leuluai, to replace Chris Sandow next year. Leuluai is keen to return to the NRL for the first time since 2004 and sought permission to leave the Warriors before his contract expired. However, the Super League powerhouse wasn't prepared to grant him an early release."
This is not good from Madge [uif[/u true.'"
The underlined word is the most relevant one for me
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| Quote ="dirtbag83"The underlined word is the most relevant one for me'"
Dirtbag - I agree, after the great year we had last year I dont want to give Madge a bad rap but I think the club needs to comment on this and refute it.
If they dont deny it we can only assume it is true. If it is true, the club needs to seriously question whether our current coach should continue.
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| I heard direct from The Insider that Leluai and Richards were the players Maguire wanted to go to Souths with him. I guess he saw them as realistic targets to make the move to the NRL.
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| Quote ="EastStandFaithful"Dirtbag - I agree, after the great year we had last year I dont want to give Madge a bad rap but I think the club needs to comment on this and refute it.
If they dont deny it we can only assume it is true. If it is true, the club needs to seriously question whether our current coach should continue.'"
Even if it were true, why would sacking him stop him from asking current Wigan players to move to Souths next year?
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| Quote ="Boris"Even if it were true, why would sacking him stop him from asking current Wigan players to move to Souths next year?'"
In a similar situation in business, as soon as you declare you are moving to a competitor, you are given gardening leave or allowed to leave immediately.
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| Quote ="EastStandFaithful"If they dont deny it we can only assume it is true. If it is true, the club needs to seriously question whether our current coach should continue.'"
A sensible line of thought.
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| Quote ="EastStandFaithful"Dirtbag - I agree, after the great year we had last year I dont want to give Madge a bad rap but I think the club needs to comment on this and refute it.
If they dont deny it we can only assume it is true. If it is true, the club needs to seriously question whether our current coach should continue.'"
So Madge approaches IL and says: "When I leave, can I take Tommy with me?" IL says: "No".
Is that really so controversial?
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| Quote ="Cruncher"So Madge approaches IL and says: "When I leave, can I take Tommy with me?" IL says: "No".
Is that really so controversial?'"
I don't think the above is an issue if it's done out of season.
I think the issue would be the fact he's concentrating on recruiting players for his new club when he's still got a job to do here regardless of whether they're from Wigan or not. The fact they're from Wigan rocks the boat even more.
If true, I'd genuinely want him to step down now and allow Wane to start his reign earlier than expected and that's not me over reacting.
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| Quote ="ABP'"I don't think the above is an issue if it's done out of season.
I think the issue would be the fact he's concentrating on recruiting players for his new club when he's still got a job to do here regardless of whether they're from Wigan or not. The fact they're from Wigan rocks the boat even more.
If true, I'd genuinely want him to step down now and allow Wane to start his reign earlier than expected and that's not me over reacting.'"
But hasn't Tommy already stated that he wants to return to the NRL? If that's the case is there anything really wrong with Madge saying "If you are coming back, do you fancy coming to Souths?"
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