Thats the game Hull fc at home. Carmont wasnt always going to get his place back. Nobody in our team this season gets automatically picked unless they deserve it. Goulding scored 2 tries but got dropped for Castleford the week after due to poor defence.

He isnt a first choice winger either, he wouldnt of played as many games there if Roberts and Phelps werent injured for quite a few weeks between them.

Nobody is blaming Goulding for anything. People are just comparing Pryce to Goulding as one of them will be dropped to fit Roberts back in. Pryce in defence has been better than Goulding and thats a fact your just going to have to accept. People are comparing players that play in similar positions because its relevant or shall we compare Sam to Fielden instead?

Too much!

The feeling i got from OT last year was just the lowest of the lows mate.

cherrydevil, As a Salford fan, how are you comparing the performances of Goulding and Pryce?

Surely not just from the snippets you have seen on boots 'n' all. The only game that has been on t.v. was v Huddersfield at Murrayfileld.

I am just amazed at how fickle some Wigan fans are because a player has scored 8 walk in tries and only played 4 games. I also thought that Wigan fans were a lot more knowledgeable about the game than some seem to be on here. It was jonh who started going on about Ainscough and Goulding to somehow defend Pryce, I was just intrigued by the childlike reasons that he gave and general lack of understanding about the game.

You haven't answered the question yet, how are YOU doing the comparison.

News coming out of Leeds, Jamie Peacock is fit to play, Ali Lauitiiti is not.

JP in but Ali still out.

Lee Smith,
Scott Donald,
Brett Delaney,
Keith Senior,
Ryan Hall,
Kevin Sinfield
Danny McGuire,
Kylie Leuluai,
Danny Buderus,
Jamie Peacock,
Carl Ablett,
Jamie Jones-Buchanan,
Chris Clarkson,

Matt Diskin, Greg Eastwood, Ryan Bailey, Ian Kirke.

Is the way Id go if thats the case.

Thats a very good side tbf

I think they would want JP to play even at 85%. Ali is a big loss for you, he is a quality threat to any defence. We usually handle Peacock pretty well IMO. Wouldn't be suprised if first set we send two forwards straight at Peacock and then Leuluai darting from dummy half.

No infact you were the first to mention Ainscough and the bulk of the last few pages of this thread are about who gets dropped if Amos plays.

As for your theory on pro players only being able to attack down one side and not selecting where to attack due to tactics and weaknesses in the oppositions team I feel you are one one being naive rather than us "fickle" Wigan fans, who are actually making a judgement call off the back of a players form when they have been in the same team over the last few weeks. If us fans are fickle you sir are simply ignorant.

You want to make sure you dont fall off that high horse. Are you the sites policeman or something?

Jonh started the comparisons, not me. I simply stated that Pryce has done very little and that some Wigan fans are blowing him up out of all proportion. Many Wigan fans also seem to agree with this so I dont see what is the big deal. The posts in reply from Wigan fans that think he is great seem to back this up as no one has even put forward a sound argument as to why he deserves the praise he is getting. By your response I guess you are one of these Pryce fans

I just wanted to know how you had made a judgement on something you hadn't seen. I've always thought Pryce has had the talent. The jury is still out whether he has a long term future at Wigan, but at the moment it would appear about 50/50 split as to whether he is in front of Goulding for selection, would you not agree.

This wouldnt be so funny if it wasnt coming from the person that shows absolutely no RL knowledge and basis his entire argument on more tries being scored on one side of the pitch than the other. Even other Wigan fans have said that Goulding was only at fault for one of the tries in the matches that you are talking about so your entire argument carries little weight. I was simply stating reasons why you cant look at it in such a simple way, this was one of many, and that you have to look further for the causes of tries rather than just blaming the other winger because you want to portray Pryce as a world beater. If the entire argument is that Pryce is in such good form because he has scored 8 tries and that is defence is better, and it infact isnt any different and that his side just hasnt been tested in the same way, then that argument becomes rather weak.

For what its worth I hope Pryce does become a world beater because he could be a very useful asset for England, especially no that he has already gotten Union out of his system. I have just not seen anything in him that makes me think he is going to fulfil that potential.

So just to do my policeman bit.


How many times have you seen him play?
1) recently
2) ever
3) when?

Just out of interest, does anyone think Roberts might be on the bench for the game with the same backline as the Crusaders game? It's the biggest game of the season and a massive risk to bring back a player who hasn't played for a couple of months.
I heard people suggesting he would be on the bench for the Crusaders game and play 20 minutes or something like that.

It seems Feka has been dropped, so rather than add another prop into the side maybe Maguire will go with Coley, Fielden and Prescott as the 3 props and have Roberts coming off the bench. It means we won't have to play anyone out of position if Roberts isn't quite up to speed, and gives cover if any of the backs don't perform.

Riddell can be used as an extra back row or possibly prop as he's already done that quite well this season, and it means there might be some more impact off the bench. That could mean a team of...

Richards; Goulding, Gleeson, Carmont, Pryce; S Tomkins, Leuluai; Fielden, McIlorum, Coley; Bailey, J Tomkins, O'Loughlin. Subs: Roberts, Riddell, Prescott, Farrell/Tuson.

I still don't think Roberts will play.

Leaving a gaping hole for mcguire to run into and score a walk in try?

Why the hell are we answering a Salford fan anyway?

Lets not lower ourselves, we've bigger fish to fry.

Ooops

Think you've got Cherry.Pie mixed up with cherrydevil

I have seen Pryce play plenty of times. As I said before I hope Pryce does become a world beater because he could be a very useful asset for England and we need all of the top quality players, particularly backs, that we can get. It is even better because he has already tried Union and failed so there is no danger of him going there. He has potential because of his size but so does Kevin Penny with his speed and elusiveness but that doesnt necessarily make them great players. I have just not seen anything in him that makes me think he is going to fulfil that potential.

I have compared both on defence. Pryce's defence has been better than Goulding, in fact Goulding's defence has been a problem and needed work for most of his senior career especially his positioning.

Goulding has been dropped before for his defence and if he is dropped on Saturday it will be because of his inferior defence to Pryce.

The fact you seem to be missing is that players and coaches target weak sides, which is why more traffic has been going that way, rugby league teams have a plan they have tactics it is not all a coincidence when team single out players.

Both have scored tries when have played on the wing, the simple fact is though Pryce has shown more consistency and less weakness in his defensive play, (and by the way having defensive positional weakness does not always lead to tries).

Out of interest why do you think his side has not been tested as much.

1) Because players can only pass to the left.

2) Because it is all a fluke and luck.

3)Because the coach has identified a side to attack.

4) Because the play makers are getting more joy down one side of the field.


Now for me it is 90% of the time a combination of 3 and 4, but you seem to feel it is a combination of 1 and 2.

Agreed, though 3&4 are mostly the same thing, really, 3 follows from 4. To some extent, weakness in defence will be identified, but mostly a coach will play to their strongest attacking side/player, irrespective of the opposition.

One thing that's pleased me about Wigan this season is our much improved right side attack (whether Roberts or Goulding is there), compared to last season, when we were very left-sided. That's nothing to do with opposition defences all weakening their left side defence.

Think you've got the wrong end of the stick there matey. He meant our first set in possession of the ball

This is once again largely your opinion though which you seem to dress up as fact. I suppose though if you repeat something often enough people may believe it and it does tend to become fact on these boards. You constantly drop little jibes or negatives in about Goulding like it somehow makes Pryce a better player. Why dont you compare him to Richards or Roberts? If Pryce is so good why has he been stuck in the u20s most of the year? Surely your coach knows the players better than anyone and is best placed to judge and up to now he has been choosing Goulding. It is therefore safe to say that he rates Goulding higher. Didnt Ainscough even get recalled before Pryce got a game? It doesnt seem that your coach rates Pryce too highly and only picked him as a last resort.

If Goulding was as bad as you say and at fault as much as you make out wouldnt he have been dropped in the last few weeks? There certainly wasnt anything wrong with Goulding's defence or positioning at Salford and from what I have seen of Wigan this year there hasnt been any there too, if there had he wouldnt have played the games he has. Even some of your fellow fans are saying you are wrong blaming Goulding for the tries you have and one poster says he has been at fault for only one. I have seen Pryce be at fault for at least one in the game against Huddersfield so there is no difference there. You just totally ignore the facts and anything that may not suit your argument. As a result it really is difficult to take your comparison seriously when you are obviously so biased. Has Goulding not given you his autograph or something as you really seem to have something against him?

I have already posted a whole range of reasons why teams may attack one side more than another and why there may be more tries on one side of the field, you just seem to be obsessed with taking one point in isolation, whilst ignoring the others, as you think you can argue against it and get out of the stupid posts that you have made previously. Looking at Wigan they attack far more down the left than the right, Salford do too, as do Leeds amongst others. It happens for a variety of reasons, regardless of opposition, and there is not a one size that fits all answer. What you completely fail to realise is that it is a team game and not all tries that are scored on the opposite side of the field are automatically that wingers fault, even if it is outside him, no matter how much you want them to be to suit your argument. Indeed more often than not it is the fault of those inside him.