It's Wane's fault that we had a disrupted pre season and unprecedented injuries to key first team players? Another clueless c*nt I see.

Ha, clueless happy clapper, one of the reasons mediocre performance is accepted, you keep on your relentless support of the mediocre safe in the knowledge that average is acceptable....you big MUPPET.....

Sorry Shaun. I see you post on the internet with a similar style and intelligence to your team talks.

Keep up the "good" work!

We beat an unbeaten Warrington on Easter Monday with 9 first teamers out. You can use injury for a poor performance, but to loose by 60 plus points you can't.

Recurring theme here, we beat Warrington with 9 first teamers out on Friday

At half time me and the husband sat in quiet disbelief at what we were watching,i said it'll 40 before the end and without hesitation my hasband said it'll be 50 at least,so abject the display that had been put on by Wigan,little did we know that it could and did get much worse,easily the worst i've seen,the other half has been watching much longer and couldnt off the top of his head think of a worse or more spineless display.

Hard to know where to start other than the usual excuses of injuries etc which given we're suppose to have a strong squad shouldnt be an issue no matter how many you have out,i suspect IL and co are confusing a strong squad to a squad thats fairly thin but bulked up by a lot of young lads who may or may not make the grade.

So what is it that the powers want ?
A) All teams to play 5 teenagers ?
B) All teams to have 10 missing players ?
C) All teams to spend the same money on the playing squad ?

It's always the same after a game like this though. Fans of other teams say you can't use injuries as an excuse, until they pick up lots of injuries and use them as an excuse. It's obvious that injuries play a part. If teams were able to maintain the same quality without key players they wouldn't need those key players and every club could save a whole heap of money. When you've got 10 genuine first team players missing, and not just first team players but KEY players, there's always a big risk that you will find it tough.

We've won games with plenty of players missing. We've had plenty missing all season and have picked up wins but sometimes luck runs out, sometimes the situation is just a bad one and everything goes against you. We've just come out of the Easter period with an already depleted squad and picked up more injuries, played two big derby fixtures in 8 days with a game sandwiched in between. Then the team had a 4 day rest which became a full week without any training as players were sent home due to illness. Then we face the form team in the competition at their home where we generally play badly even with a full strength side. Throw a team together with 5 teenagers and the only players with experience being those who are out of form and you've got a perfect storm.

Despite that defeat we still have the second best defence in Super League. We've seen how the team has defended throughout the year so far and it's generally been pretty good. Statistically it was the best until this weekend. Our defence has been what pushed us towards the top of the table because our attack has been dire. For the defence to be that bad and for the team to look that lethargic right from the start you know something wasn't right. Fair play to Wakefield, they looked pretty damn good and were ruthless. A full strength Wigan side would still have struggled.

I don't see a need to panic unless things continue to go downhill. We've got the Castleford game to bounce back and if things get back to the way they were then this was obviously just a blip. Remember when an understrength Wigan side went to Headingley in 2012 and absolutely hammered Leeds? Who had the last laugh that year? They couldn't even use the injury excuse, they just had a downright awful performance but they came through when it mattered.

I'm not saying everything is rosy and we should ignore it. There are lessons to be learned without a doubt. I do think we should wait and see what the performance against Castleford is like and how we play in the coming weeks before we declare a disaster though. I still think we are seriously lacking creativity in attack though. That's a bigger concern than one humiliating defeat because it's an issue we've had all season.

There were six England internationals playing for Wigan and 12 first team regulars. There is no excuse with that sort of a side for losing 62-0 and no excuse for Wane's ridiculous after match comments particularly about Wakefield buying tickets for London.

Spoken to a couple of players who played today and told them how embarrassing it was to be a Wigan fan today. I won't say who they are but they were just as embarrassed. Wake up call today though.

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Laugh at Wigan day today so everyonre fill yer boots while you can

This. Disgraceful. Give them credit, they've beaten some good teams and they absolutely schooled Wigan today. Why can't he just say "They were the better team, well done to them, we'll try our best to play better next week". Why does it always have to come with a snide comment (that doesn't make sense because it wasn't a CC game).

Injuries or not, to have your supposed main play maker playing and not only shipping 62 points but not scoring a single one shows how poor that is. Lost count of the passes Matty Smith put to ground and I think a prop kicked on the last three times. That is appalling game management. Errors left right and centre just makes it all the easier for the Wakey to do the damage. The decisions that the club makes is baffling at times. Playing a second rower at stand off is only going to give you problems and highights the lack of depth in pivotal roles. Matty Smith has a lot to answer for. I'm not asking for a win as that Wakey team looked good, but make it respectable, and to not be able to score a point is on him. He gets the credit when we dominate and he should get the flak when we don't.

Great post overall. Sums up most of my feelings. We have had the lack of creativity for longer than this season IMO - it was evident last season too.

The win at Leeds in 2012 we still had 1. Tomkins, 6. Finch, 7. Leuluai, 9. McIlorum and 13. O'Loughlin. Yeah we had injuries but not to 'key' players in attack. You have to point to that as the main issue. Things aren't clicking and you get stuff like Smith and Sarge chucking their toys out at each other which then spirals into finger pointing and a lack of confidence and cohesion.

And in 2012 we had an attack coach in the shape of Iestyn Harris. We still haven't replaced him have we? Maybe with Deacon but our attack has been going rapidly downhill since both of them left. Most of last year was chucking it wide to Burgess and he'd skin the opposite winger and either score or pass inside to someone that would but we haven't got that luxury now.

It is a good excuse but Cas had 10 missing at Widnes but still came back from 18-0 down to win 34-24.

The times they are a changing.

Not in Wakefield it's not, it still seems to be stuck in 1950

I don't think its what the powers want, its seems to be going in that direction anyway with most of Superleague struggling with quality player depth. The game is going stale and I don't think I will be watching it next season, its totally mediocre these days.

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I have to say we do look to be screaming out for a quality attacking coach. I don't think Wane needs replacing but he definitely needs better assistance. We have lost key staff members over the last few years who have been replaced by internal promotions or people combining roles, and there does seem to be a "jobs for the boys" culture developing. I don't think SW is the useless oaf that some make him out to be and I think he played an important role in the success we had when Madge was head coach. But the main aspects that seems to have been gradually eroded away over the past 2/3 seasons are the attacking structures and ball handling skills.

We were accused of being robotic at times under Madge but we were simply well drilled and everyone knew their role. And the proof was in the pudding because we used to score bagfuls of tries. The "sweeping" plays used to be perfectly timed with plenty of option runners available to take a short ball if the pass out the back wasn't on. It was a fast moving, deep lying attacking line that had been rehed over and over, and it worked. Now that has evolved into slow, sometimes standing still, passing along the line like what you would see at under 10's. Ridiculously easy to defend against at this level.

The injury excuse has worn thin for me,many other clubs are blighted by them and arent crying into their milk too much about it,Wane got his excuses in so early with this game the wholeaffair seemed off,if there was a virus,and you have to take their word on that,then why in gods name wasnt the game called off at Wigans insistance? simply put if a virus goes through a club or a place of work then people get it at different times not all at once,sorry that game,if there is a virus should not have been played as Wigan simply did not have the players to put a full strength (or as near as damn it) side out.

I think the last couple of weeks have shown the squad clearly doesnt have the depth people thought it had,the asset stripping of seasons past has come home to roost in my view,filling it full of untried kids who may well in years to come be Wigans future isnt the way to run a club,Lenegan and Radlinski need to sort the recruitment policy (if there is one)out and get a player or two in shaprish,a fullback and hooker would do for starters surely our old boss in audtralia knows of a player or two not getting a game in the nrl and could come over on a short term deal.

That is a very good description of how our attack compares now to the way it worked under Madge and it has been heading that way for a couple of seasons. It stands out like a sore thumb and so given the buck stops with Wane I can't fathom why you don't think he needs replacing. He isn't looking to hire an attack coach as far as we know and gives the impression he thinks he knows best anyway. I will never forget just after taking over from Madge how he said he wasn't happy with certain aspects of the way the team played felt he could improve matters and cut out stupid losses. After we had just had two seasons of play so far ahead of what had gone before under Noble I was gobsmacked.

I was all for Wane to get the job because I felt we would have continuity and would continue in the same way but that comment set the alarm bells ringing from the off and unfortunately I think my concerns were well founded.

My view is he is waiting for Sam Tomkins to return in the hope our stuttering attack will suddenly click into gear. He isn't going to change the attack and will no doubt blame poor execution. He tells the players what to do, they don't do it, not his fault! The fact we have not got the players to execute the attack like the Madge team seems to have passed him by and the thought of playing to the team's strength and ability doesn't seem to enter his head.

If Wane had an ounce of decency in him instead of making excuses about injuries and the rest, he'd apologise to the faithful fans who went yesterday and showed their class by staying till the end to watch an embarrassing performance from the team he put out

Perhaps those who stayed only did so because the coaches that brought them wouldn't be open for boarding until after the game!

Although a recent critic of SW historically I have been a supporter and before MM was appointed I was all for SW being given a chance in replacing Noble. The last 2 seasons has seen an incredible decline in our playing standards which is I think a combination of virtually non existent quality recruitment and a change in playing style that is absolutely appalling to watch.
The 3 wise men we are told agree on recruitment therefore I assume collective responsibility however, team performance is down to the coach. A year or 2 ago SW mentioned a change in playing style and I remember on is forum a few postings questioning what this change actually was. The change I think is one of lack of believe in the quality of the players leading to an ultra conservative style of play with the players given zero scope to play anything off the cuff.
Personally I would give SW until the end of the season to try and turn it around because I think based on his past performance he deserves the chance to do so. Given the current squad and style I genuinely don't think he can do it but hope he has some inner strength of character to accept some of errors of judgement on his part and make some necessary changes to our playing style.
My major concern is IL. Without his acquisition of the club a dread to think where we would be today however, some of his recent poor handling on recruitment, fixture turmoil and almost comic handling of the Easte Monday debacle together with total lack of respect for supporters re the London adventure leaves me more than a little concerned. We are mid way through April yet we still don't know if we are playing a game in London again this season which I find totally incredulous.
IL is 10 years older since he bought us and maybe he just can't afford to spend the time required at the club anymore which if true is worrying. If it were my investment I would look to replace KR as soon as possible because I just don't see what he brings to the club and I would want someone with more experience to help me through the next few years of change.
A tough few months ahead and the club needs to step up in terms of performance on and off the field.

Didn't Cas beat Widnes and Leeds with 11 players out?