So you respond with a reiteration of your same old story... And stop with the provocative "How old are you". Does you no justice.

Have to say I thought you would have done lot worse than you have done so far.

Having said that, you were great at the same point last season and then it went horribly wrong in the big games. That will be the true test, motivation only gets you so far and when it has counted he has been tactically outclassed.

No, I started with how old are you as it was a genuine question, given how infantile your comment came across. I used to respond in that manner when I was at primary school. I then went on to give my opinion and why I have that opinion. I already know you are incapable of sensible discussion given your previous posts hence the grow up comment. So please either discuss the topic in hand or keep yourself away from your keyboard as the forum which be much more pleasant without your childish retorts.

Not going into it, it's old news. Just adding to the discussion with my reasons for liking/disliking Shaun Wane but it seems some folk are incapable of sensible discussion.

My original post was that I found his comments about gelling quite poor and also his comments about Farrell pretty unbelievable however I do rate him as a coach.

I find it rather amusing that you feel its ok for you to make scurrilous comments on a public forum, but, is it not ok for Mr Wane to give his assessment of how a player has played? Is it one rule for you?

Say what you like, i'm done on this matter...

The only thing that concerns me about Wane is his public criticism of players. Yes the second half at Bradford was poor but this was on the back a perfect easter period and a game that was over at half time. The constant 'we can do better' public bagging of sometimes named players could have an adverse effect particularly in a squad so young. How long when you consider how well these young players have done will it be before moral drops because regardless of results nothing seems good enough.

Didn't say he couldn't, I'm merely saying I don't agree with it

Exactly my point, his comments to me come across as very strange and a little ott.

Be careful though, you aren't allowed to speak negatively about me wane or people may think you have an agenda

Wtf is wane on criticising Farrell's defence?! Absolutely crackers.

F.T VEE.

Agree 100%, he also had a crack at Farrell's defence tonight in the M.E.N.

To be fair when you watch the video on the SL website then he really goes to town praising Faz and his work ethic.

That being said i think he's made himself look a little silly with these latest comments. Sadly it's another case of Wane's verbal diarrhoea.

It's OK everyone saying 'it's just who is' but maybe it's time to try the silent approach with the media.

He talks some absolute sh@t at time. Must love the sound of his own voice or something.

His hubris was a factor in our failure to win the big games last season - at the moment he doesn't seem to have learned from last season's mistake when he opens his gob. I wish he would just STFU sometimes and follow the Madge route of quiet dignity.

Quite frankly this is embarrassing, a poster posts a fair comment reflecting on Wane's discussion of Faz's defence (which by the way was absurd considering how well Faz has been playing) and you twist and turn it into a personal attack.

This is the kind of childish petty attitude that stifles genuine discussion about Wigan RL and league in general, it was clearly nothing more that a snipe, a dig for no reason, well done on lowering the tone to such a level.

Amen to that.

I don't know if anyone has picked up on this but Maguires side lost a BIG game this weekend. As such you'd expect to find a decent number of sites quoting Madge's thoughts on the game right? I can hardly find any quotes or statements from Madge regarding the game! That's how it should be with Wane imo. The talking should be done behind closed doors at Orrell.

I really don't think it's Wane's interviews, or our "win every game approach" that's damaged us in the big games, more that Leeds & Wire are more experienced sides with a nucleus of players that have won a lot of trophies. It can be quite difficult to force a "changing of the guard" when sides are so dominant, you just have to wait til the opportunity presents itself and strike.

We're well in the trophy hunt, but sides like Leeds & Wire will be thereabouts because they're good teams, full of experience, that know how to play under pressure. Not because they held off and only gave the lower sides a bit of a beating rather than blowing them off the park.

It is strange, some would say its reverse psychology maybe, an attempt at keeping Farrell grounded but I worry comments like these could have an adverse reaction. It started a couple of weeks ago when opta were showing that Farrell had not missed a single tackle and wane came out and said "it was a bit generous as he has definitely missed a few"

its interesting that wane is having a moan about farrell's defence when 1 of his favourite love childs micky mac as been poor in his tackling this season, but not a word (not having a go at micky, i think he's top draw but just wish criticism was fair) also i cant remember him having a go at hocks defence last year even though hock isn't in the same league as farrell when it come's to defence.

He was probably asked directly what he thought of Farrell's defence. I'm sure if he was asked about Micky Mac's defence he'd be critical of it.

Why are people so bothered about his "media skills"

Who cares?

In regard to Farrells defence, nonody reckon he is just taking the mick a bit?

He goes out and says "his defence could be better" then goes back to the team where Faz says "cheers for that boss".

Wane replies "its ok son dont want you getting too big for your boots".

It prob isnt but it comes across like an inside joke to me aimed twofold to annoy ppl that dont like Wane and for everyone to look at just how well Faz is doing before defending him.

Best way to highlight your players stats is probably to say something negative so ppl go and look.

You say Sam has been great with line breaks everyone nods, you say he could do more and suddenly everyone checks and ups arms because he is top in that regard.

My sentiments exactley, who gives a sh*t! At the end of the day a lot of you where knocking Wigans credentials and Wanes squad rotation in the friendlies before the season had even started i think you should at least eat your humble pie, you owe him that at least for the way he's got the lads playing. What a lot of you dont realise nor think about before you post is from coaches gone by John Monie, Mag etc.. Wane has got some serious acts to follow and im sure with the type of winner he is, he will want to be the best of the lot so we have no right to criticise how, why or what he expects from his players, he's a Wiganer thru and thru it's in the veins we cant ask for more than that!

To be fair to Wane, defence isn't just about making a lot of tackles and having few missed tackles. Farrell has given away more pens than any other player in in the squad, usually in the tackle or PTB. There is also the question of being in the correct position in the defensive line to make the tackle in the first place. These may the areas for improvement to which Wane is referring.

I can only thank God that the biggest talking-point about the Wigan coach is his media skill.

Sometimes our memories are just too short for our own good.

I think Agent Brown is doing a fine job over the lump