You think you know better then the Wigan club and the most successful British coach in super league. If you were any good at coaching a team you would have one of the top jobs in Super League.

When you make a post like this your morals will get questioned. Deep-down I knew you won't be attending though.

So do you agree with everything that has ever happened in pro rugby?

Do you agree with everything Brian Noble has done at his time in Wigan?

Why are my morals in question because i will not be attending on Friday? If i sacrificed my family and work comittments for a rugby match then surely there would be more need to question my morals.

If you have an issue with my stance take it up with reasoned debate and valid debate rather than simply trying to have a pop by attempting to slate me personally.

Will i be watching the game in full on DVD over the weekend that follows the fixture. Yes.

I dont agree with everything that has happed but i do not have control of the RFL their are people put in positions to make decisions and we must all abide by them winging on here will make no difference to the RFL.

As for Nobby well he has made mistakes we all do but he is paid to do a job and he has not done to badly over that last 3 years saved us from relegation and got us to within 80 mins of Old Trafford for the last 2 years thats not that bad is it. We have played 2 games in 2009 its a long season see where we end up at the end of it.

If you think you can do a better job then take up a coaching job within the prop game and see how well you can do.

I know you don't like Nobbys methods but he is the man in charge and until such time your as successful don't knock him back him and the club.

Not good enough.

Dave

So you do disagree with some of the decisions made by the pro's yet criticise me for doing the same? Interesting.

If you are happy with the last 2 years fair play, i am not people have different standards and opinions.

Did you back Millward until he was replaced?

And? Getting a shot at a final because the rules are as they are shows us to be a good side does it? The answer is no it doesn't.

Are you seriously clinging onto the fact we have a play off system that means you can be a poor side and still get in them means.... well what does it mean? I am blow'ed if I know.



Your Saints point doesn't prove anything. Are you seriously telling me you can't see the difference between that Saints side and us?



The team is playing the most boring one dimensional rugby I have ever seen a Wigan side play. It did similar in 2007, it did it in 2008 and it has started 2009 the same way. The buck stops with the coach for this. Other teams have new players and Wakefield had half a team missing. We didn't. Ours may have new players but Noble could not get a virtually first choice side up to beat an injury ravaged side who had never played one game together as a team. How on earth does a new 6, 7 and 9 compare to what Wakefield put out? It doesn't.

Dave

not everybody can get to games, but when they do I cheer my home team, I want them to win, I never boo my side if thy play bad, I can enjoy a game we lose seeing better rugby played than us and appreciate that we have to step another level, you think that I'm not competitive

I have seen some people relate the position of Noble to that of Alex Furguson at Man United in the 80's. Regards the ego issue, what did he do whenever and ego in his changing room looked to upset the balance of the team, see Paul Ince. Regardless of how good he was he got rid.

When ego's looked to start getting in the way he took action, see Beckam, Giggs, Scholes and Sharpe.

Our coach seems happy to throw out the excuse to the press players have ego's and agendas, but unable to, or unwilling to do anything about it.

Why is this the case?

the question is has he got a hairdryer, and bet he hasn't,
in my case with our club would I expect us to to sack John Kear if we have had the same start , no because we don't have the money and he has been the best coach we have had so would be foolish to, as your club are always looking further up the league than us I can understand the disappointment to the start but are you panicking as what coach is available bar for hanley, makes me wonder why he left donny last year

We play a boring style of rugby but it can be very effective too. I'm a bit happier with Noble after the Hull game to be honest. We played a lot better than we did v Wakefield and the game could have gone either way. We just didn't finish off our opportunities, but I'm confident that we will start doing once the season kicks in. I'm waiting a couple of games before I nail my colours to the mast on this issue, if we get turned over by Cas and Harlequins Noble should probably update his C.V

I agree. Quite a few mistakes in attacking positions which gave us the ball back !!

No doubt you will strengthen as the season progresses.Too early to begin worrying !

Firstly where did i criticize you for having a go at the way pro rugby has gone??

Yes i am happy with the last 2 years but would hope that this year we make at least 1 final and hopefully win.

Unlike some i support Wigan RLFC or whatever name they want to go under i do not and never will come on here or any public forum and say i hope we get beaten that to my mind is not only undermining the coach but the team as well. Thanks for you PM by the way it was very interesting.

The thing i did have a pop at you for was your original statementin this thread. And yes i did back Millward and his team as at the time they were running the club it took 6 years to run the club down to the point where B.N took over and its taken less than 3 to turn the corner and start our way back to the top.

You should back the club all the way or walk away and support another club. You Mentioned Man United in another post well just look at the way they started this season and look where they are now.

I'd be disappointed to see McIllorum leave, but one of either Riddell, LuLu, S.Tomkins, McIllorum would have to go. Its un-imaginable that Riddell, Tommy, Tonkins would leave, so that really does leave MM in the mire.

Spot on.

Where is the loyal support we had in 2006? When we didn't criticize anyone*? When we were 100% behind the team, the club?

We need to STOP criticizing, STOP being so "doom and gloom" and for a change get behind the team, get behind the players, get behind Noble (as hard as that is for some people).

I like many others on here, doesn't just support the team, I support the club. It's about time people on here followed suite.

I can accept there will be criticism, it's part and parcel of being a fan, but come on. I come on here everyday to see another 2/3 threads having yet another pop at the club. And we wonder why we're labelled fickle fans?



Jonh I can see your POV, your opinion I feel is wrong, but you are entitled to it. Maybe, if we lose to Cas and Quins, the whole point of this thread (noble out) will be more valid.


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If we continue to back people that are failing then we as a club will continue to fail. If we continues to back Millward then we would have had a spell in NL1, simply because they have the position is not a reason to support them to the hilt regardless of what is happening.

The performances have been poor for much of his time in charge. This year so far we have been beaten by a team that came 11th last year, missing 2 key players and there marquee signing from the NRL. We have been beaten by a club that could only field 17 full time players and who struggled last year.

Lets not pretend all is well and we are moving in the right direction as we are not.

I want the best for Wigan RLFC and if I think looking at the bigger picture a loss next week will be to the benefit of the club.

It's getting silly now. People will read all this doom and gloom and believe it. I've read Phil Bailey described as dead wood, people believe what they read.

There is so much parity in SL now that bad patches will occur for most clubs, reality is we've moved forwards under Noble leadership.

The issue is, has he taken us as far as he can under his style of play, maybe the game has changed since he won everything with Bradford. For me, he's still the man for the job and deserves at least until the end of the season.

That's the salary cap, we had bad patches last season but came within a whisker of making the grand final. We're getting better year on year, they didn't build Rome overnight.

I'd agree with that, the issue certainly is has he taken us as far as he can? Jury is still out on that one IMO, but I certainly expect him to be here until the end of the season.

As for his time at Bradford, Noble had the perfect squad for his tactics, big and mobile forwards pack. With big but quick centres/wingers and quick half-backs. His squad's physical attributes suited his tactics and gameplan perfectly.

Back the club or Walk Away do not undermine the club How can Cas beating us on Friday be best for the club it might be best for your own agenda but its not best for the club.

Supporters like you Wigan Warriors RLFC do not need if you are as good as you say apply to I.L. for Nobbys job and lets see how good you are.

Appreciate what you are saying but you are asking that fans give unquestioning support and blind loyalty irrespective or, in short, to be sheep.

I agree that when the chips are down you all need to get behind the club; however, we're not in that situation. This is about healthy debate about what we feel is the best overall for the club; Jon should no more apply for Nobby's job than those who give unquestioning support should go into a field and eat grass.

This comes down to two things:

Jon - Correct me is I'm wrong - believes Noble's taken the club as far as he can and it's time for a change. He's not the only one that believes this.

Andy - Correct me is I'm wrong - you appear to trust the club's management completely and will let what will be will be and we should trust them or find another club.

Personally I'd like Noble to go to be replaced by Lam and a support team of his choosing, ideally including Wane & Farrell (when he can secure release from his Union contract). I'd rather this change take place sooner rather than later so the new coach can come in and assess the playing staff before the end of the season; that way he can have a better idea of what the club needs.

You stated you suppored millward in his stay here..."if" we had got relegated would you have still supported him? or called for his head ?(serious question)..while I want wigan to win..I don't think I could support a coach I had no faith in (millward being a prime example)..I support the club but sometimes as with all things in life..you have to do what you think is best..and I don't mean booing the team (though I understand why some do) I don't think noble will take us any further (though I will be happy if he proves me wrong)..I can see where jonh is coming from..he wants the best for the club as do we all....but unless noble changes his style of play..we will either die of boredom or think (more so as times are hard now) of better ways of spending our money...all I ask of my team is to entertain me if we lose and it's been a good game I can live with that..after all thats what we pay for..now we have to see if they can deliver that.

I can understand both points of view. Maybe Noble has taken us as far as he can but he deserves the chance to carry on his work seeing as we've improved every year since he took over, this playing style issue has just been magnified due to the poor start.

One thing for sure, throwing a game is riddiculous.

Your right they didnt, however romans stood by and watched the wrong man in charge burn it to the ground overnight!

Not saying nobby is wrong man, but what he is doing at the moment is clearly wrong.

Everyone could see we needed at least a stand off and a prop, but definately a stand off.

I dont buy this slow start but will come good at the business end stuff either, winning is a habit unfortunatley so is loosing.

This year is the first year for a long time where we have had a full squad to pick from and we get hammered by wakfield (they should have got 30) and beaten by a hull side in their first competative game!

But dont worry all will be ok come playoffs as thats when we start playing well!

Perhaps we as fans should take a leaf out of the players and nobles book and just show up for leeds and the playoffs.