Did you have a laptop at the game then?

Busted

i had my trusty pocket surfer 2 Lite, never leave home without it

who out of the current squad would?

Does anyone know how many matches we have won with lockers as captain?

im sure you could spend the rest of the evening doing the research on [urlhttp://www.cherryandwhite.co.uk[/url and [urlhttp://www.wiganrl.com[/url

Does anyone care?

Ask Captian13 - He luuurves him almost as much as he luuurves Jane McDonald

I cant believe that some people are blaming lockers for the mess we are in, he is constantly one of our key performers. And is noticable by his absence.

Did we get the hair dryer treatment when he wasnt captain last year. No they all stood around under the sticks looking like deaf mutes!

They are proffesionals, they should not need someone to lead them, they should all lead by example! The only reason you need a captain, is to toss the coin and speak to the ref!

It is more to do with culture at the club, and looking at the players body language a lot of the time shows a certain amount of cant be d attitude.

All wakefield did was play hard and do the basics! We on the other hand did neither.

How is changing the captain going to stop coley dropping the ball, or get bailey to break a tackle (just once will do in his stay at wigan) and get goulding to pass, or instill some bottle into mathers?

Each player is responsible for his own performance and im sure at the start of the season, they have some key performance indicators that they have to achieve!

Well said.

Well said



I admit that I was not Lockers biggest fan 6 years or so ago, I thought he did a lot of stupid things in some games and dropped a lot of ball, ok in some games he may still drop a couple but he really has come on in leaps and bounds imo.

Its one of the trademark go to excuses of many who frequent these parts/call the gmr phone in.

Exactly, he is actually one of our better players. Far better than our mediocre aussies like Bailey and Carmont. Just because people have a grudge over him doesnt mean he's a bad player! However, average players like Bailey and Carmont etc. can do nothing wrong! i can think of games where Lockers has stood out, where i couldnt for Bailey or Carmont

Good call sharpy! Im a big fan of everyone having their opinion but seriously, some people on this thread have let themselves look as daft as a brush!
And yes, i do love him

To be honest, It doesn't really matter whether or not he's the captain does it - Being the captain means nothing anymore. Barrett was the captain when he was there - He just wasn't given the title. Just like Riddell or Smith will probably be this year, they'll be giving the orders etc. Regardless of them being captain - I'll admit, it's crap, but that's how it is.

prob think of better ways to put it but people need to get a grip on this board at min im bored of the suicide threads

So why then have a captain at all?

Even Ian Lenagan himself identified that leadership was an issue last season after the Huddersfield game and its clearly been an issue for many years now but nothing seems to have been done about it.

I dont think anybody is blaming Sean O'Loughlin for the games we have lost but a lack of leadership has already been identfied as a problem not only by the supporters but also by the chairman.

There is a lot more to being a captain than just tossing a coin.

Sorry lockers has had his time as captain. 1985 last time since wigan had a poor start like this, lost 3 in a row. Next up harlequins,bradford,leeds,salford.

and that is lockers fault?

didnt realise its a captains job to train tim smith how to fecking defend?

Lockers has never impressed me as a captain, He is a excellent rugby player, but to me he has no leadership qualitys. Like farrell,edwards,bell.

Is this thread going to come back everytime we lose.

There are players far more responsible that Lockers.

get real he had a good game yesterday what do you want the guy to do, he hits hard in defence he is now shouting at the team and leading the team, everytime we lose its lockers foult have a look round the team and have a look for someone else to pick on, hes playin great, just an easy target i suppose

I wouldn't go that far, yes he works his socks off in defence but he made some crucial errors in attack last night. He has played well up until last night though, and for some people to use Locky as a scapegoat is laughable.

Not again!







I wish people would stop Lockers bashing and concentrate on the real problems at the club. These include, in no particular order:-

1. Poor coaching

2. Lack of fitness and conditioning

3. "Some might not be football related issues", to quote BN affecting the sqaud. There really do appear to be major behind the scenes/morale type issues.

4. Poor quality signings and failure to sign players to fill key positions

5. Failure to develop youth talent

6. The culture/ethos of the club now seems to be that second best is good enough.

IL needs to get a grip on things, and fast.

The club has needed a top to bottom clear out for years. Coaching staff, backroom staff and the majority of players need to be changed as quickly as possible.

People keep talking about the need for stability or getting diverted into meaningless sideshows like this ridiculous Lockers bashing when they should be asking why the club is failing in so many areas and why nothing is being done about it.