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| Quote ="NickyKiss"It isn’t surprising really given he’s probably being paid good money to sulk in the reserves. The lad has all the talent in the world but sadly not the heart or bottle to go with it. This was rumoured in the off season and I guess the club would rather have got one or two others out the door before him with it being Leeds involved. It’s only the fact we’ve let him go to Leeds that doesn’t sit right.'"
Why dosent it sit right if he's not playing?
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| Quote ="taxi4stevesmith"Why dosent it sit right if he's not playing?'"
I’d be loathed to loan Leeds anything tbh. They look a decent side so far and will be fighting for top five and I don’t think we should strengthen a rival if we can help it. I also wouldn’t loan Kevin Sinfield a cup of sugar, it’ll only help him pick his lip up after Wane got the England job.
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| If Greenwood had isa's heart he would be the perfect player,hopefully he comes back to us with his confidence sorted out
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| Thought us taking part in Farrells testimonial might have changed you're view on us a bit.
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| Lacks bottle, a bit soft, sulking in the reserves?
How do people present these sweeping statements as fact without being in the know?
Think most would agree that Greenwood has all the attributes of a fine rugby player and it just may be, that there is another side to this story.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Lacks bottle, a bit soft, sulking in the reserves?
How do people present these sweeping statements as fact without being in the know?
Think most would agree that Greenwood has all the attributes of a fine rugby player and it just may be, that there is another side to this story.'"
then please do enlighten us
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Lacks bottle, a bit soft, sulking in the reserves?
How do people present these sweeping statements as fact without being in the know?'"
Observation. We have these organs see that are called eyes.
Oddly enough you don't need to be "in the know" to observe a lack of bottle, soft and him sulking in the reserves.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Lacks bottle, a bit soft, sulking in the reserves?
How do people present these sweeping statements as fact without being in the know?
Think most would agree that Greenwood has all the attributes of a fine rugby player and it just may be, that there is another side to this story.'"
Because when he played against Hull KR in the reserves his attitude was awful,he just looked disinterested whereas you have Dom Manfredi who asked Adrian Lam if he could play in the same game rather than go straight into the first team that's the attitude you need to have rather than bloody sulking
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| Quote ="cadoo"Observation. We have these organs see that are called eyes.
Oddly enough you don't need to be "in the know" to observe a lack of bottle, soft and him sulking in the reserves.
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| Quote ="[Gareth"then please do enlighten us'"
Just offering the possibility.
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| Greenwood is so frustrating as he has all the attributes to be a top quality player, and has proven to be that at the back end of 2018 and in the odd cameo last year. Think the thing that lets him down is his lack of heart. Always looks timid in contact but that may be down to the concussion troubles making him second guess himself in collisions. Shame as there’s a quality player in there somewhere.
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| He would make a good prop forward with a bit more weight on him and a bit of heart,I'm very surprised that playing in a scrum cap hasn't been suggested
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| Always found the 'he's soft' line a bit difficult to swallow to be honest. Would he really have got this far if that was true?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Always found the 'he's soft' line a bit difficult to swallow to be honest. Would he really have got this far if that was true?'"
No player is soft but he’s not got the steel a lot of other players (forwards especially) have got. He’s got as far as he has on his fantastic physical attributes IMO. Not many forwards are 6ft 4, 17 stones but can run with the pace of a back. He’s a great athlete but there’s always been question marks over his mentality.
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| Legacy of some poor signings by Wane/Rads. Feel sorry for Lam having to deal with this but comes with the job as a coach I guess.
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| I think the reference has been made before, but he's very much a Simon Haughton player, rather than a Denis Betts.
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| What's his contract situation?
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"No player is soft but he’s not got the steel a lot of other players (forwards especially) have got. He’s got as far as he has on his fantastic physical attributes IMO. Not many forwards are 6ft 4, 17 stones but can run with the pace of a back. He’s a great athlete but there’s always been question marks over his mentality.'"
Must admit, when he was at saints i wasn't a massive fan, but its undeniable that he's genetically gifted.
Very good going forward, but awful in defence, didn't miss tackles because he was nowhere to be seen, i was very surprised when went to the nrl, but thought maybe he could sort his defence out like elliot whitehead did(similarish player).
AS many of you guys have mentioned, he's not got the dog mentality of a wigan pack player.
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| I think the toughness comment is very fair.
It’s also relative to others he is competing against.
Nobody is saying he is soft not many who take to a rugby field pro or otherwise could be described as soft.
I think however maybe his physical gifts are partly responsible for his lack of mental toughness.
I’m assuming he came through the grassroutrs game without too many difficulties or having to work too hard given his size and athleticism.
He joined a strong Saints set up and again looked to walk through the Academy and into first team fairly quickly.
He was in a very strong Saints side surrounded by good players.
Then off he went to the Titans, maybe too young and not having ever really needed to struggle or face consistent struggles on the field. Week in week out at the Titans you are going to face that and obviously he didn’t step up to the mark.
He just looks to me like a lad who had it too easy in his crucial development stage and never developed that toughness he needs to kick on.
Maybe the Leeds move will be a kick in the that he needs and it is t too late for him to kick on and become the player his physical gifts could make him, time will tell, but I doubt it.
I’ve no doubt though he may pick his times turn turn up every time he plays Wigan in the future.
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| Quote ="cadoo"Observation. We have these organs see that are called eyes.
Oddly enough you don't need to be "in the know" to observe a lack of bottle, soft and him sulking in the reserves.
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Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Always found the 'he's soft' line a bit difficult to swallow to be honest. Would he really have got this far if that was true?'"
O come on you had Simon Haughton, ive seen football players role about less than he did after Mcdermotts high tackle in the CC in 99 even his own team mates where embarrassed by that.
Then again we had Paul Medley, Medley could gave been the best Forward in the World
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| Maybe he's fed up with his own situation. 2018 he was excellent, an outstanding 2nd rower.
Last year it all went wrong with his head injuries. When they go off with a head injury and have the HIA it is not the player's decision whether they return to the field or not.
We don't know what has been said to him at the club. Maybe they've wanted him to go out on loan for some time and there wasn't a club that could accommodate him. A 2 month loan is an odd one, can't remember the last one of those.
If he hits form does anyone think he'll return, or stay at Leeds?
If he hit top form then I'd have him back. If he doesn't then what happens then?
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"No player is soft but he’s not got the steel a lot of other players (forwards especially) have got. He’s got as far as he has on his fantastic physical attributes IMO. Not many forwards are 6ft 4, 17 stones but can run with the pace of a back. He’s a great athlete but there’s always been question marks over his mentality.'"
just like Karl Pryce
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.'"
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| I think this is a smart move from a Leeds perspective, just what they need in the forwards and it’s an opportunity for him to put himself in the shop window, feels like more of a trial than a loan move.
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