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| I dont like the idea TBH, much prefer the kick at goal.
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| Quote ="Mother Feka"I dont like the idea TBH, much prefer the kick at goal.'"
you do know dont you that the kick is optional?
if you have a minute left and score to go 2 points behind, you can decline to kick and get the ball back quicker.
thats enough rule on kicking imo.
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"you do know dont you that the kick is optional?
if you have a minute left and score to go 2 points behind, you can decline to kick and get the ball back quicker.
thats enough rule on kicking imo.'"
Oh right thats not so bad then, i cant help thinking that the kick at goal will just 'fade away' though.
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"true...but you dont get another 6 if you touchdown again on 1 play, you get 2 ...its called a 2 point conversion, as opposed to 1 pt for the kick.
rarely used but when a coach calls it its usually worked out mathematically.
watch carefully..they always go for the 2 pointer when 5 behind with not long left.
normal kick = still 4 behind needing a touchdown
2 pointer = 3 behind and still touchdown to win , or field goal for extra time
miss the 2 pointer and its still touchdown to win as per 1 point kick.
thats when coaches employ it.'"
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| Quote ="Mother Feka"Oh right thats not so bad then, i cant help thinking that the kick at goal will just 'fade away' though.'"
Unlikely to see that it would, it's just a chance to get a try off one tackle as opposed to often a certainty of 2 points. Just like in the NFL the 1 point option is the one most likely to be taken for the much higher probability of scoring it
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| All that will happen is that the attacking team will tap the ball take a drive and hand the ball over in the opposition 10.
Better than a kick off and you don't waste energy chasing the ball
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| i know that one of RLs strength is its innovation and the fact that its not afraid to make changes, but ....
given the origins of the game, and the derivation of the term try itself, this would a step too far.
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| Why not introduce 1 point for tackling players in the in goal similar to a safety in A.football
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| Rather you could take the two and kickoff from halfway or choose to have the opponents to drop out from under the sticks and start play normally from there. Shows whether you want the points or to stack on the pressure, and would make big comebacks more exciting.
The one play without a kick seemed pretty easy to defend against and with a kick it would just be boring. I'm not a fan of the one play.
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| i can remember a game at galpharm last year involving the giants but cant remember who they were playing maybe catalan and the giants were losing and they had scored a try and they went to line up an goal instead they drop kicked it and was waved away i think by the touches as you can only do it from a penalty.
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| Quote ="CAM."I know...'"
Ohhhhhhh, your amazing.
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"Ohhhhhhh, your amazing.'"
I wasn't talking to you.
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| Quote ="CAM."I wasn't talking to you.'"
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| Tackled in your own in goal area or knocking the ball out dead instead of a drop goal give the attacking side an option.
1. Give the attacking side 1 point and ball is given to defending side on the 20. So gain a point but lose possession
2. No point and restart with a drop goal as usual
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed"Tackled in your own in goal area or knocking the ball out dead instead of a drop goal give the attacking side an option.
1. Give the attacking side 1 point and ball is given to defending side on the 20. So gain a point but lose possession
2. No point and restart with a drop goal as usual'"
Good idea in theory but don't think it'd work in practice. It would mean that at the end of a tight game, defenders would be scared to go into their own in goal area for a kick for fear of giving away a point and potentially losing their team the game.
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| The idea is exciting, but the game has been spoilt with rules that have been added, changed, amended, tweaked over a short number of years and this would just be another.
I like it to be honest, but it's one rule too many and we've shot ourselves in the foot.
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| I watched the game online last night and it was actually a very interesting concept well executed IMO. One play of the ball with no kicking allowed, just passes. A penalty try would be awarded if the defending team are penalised for any offence. Could see some very inventive set plays being tried out.
Could actually be as good an introduction as the 40-20 i think. Understand the hesitation surrounding the history of the scoring system but the game as it is now is far removed from that of the original Northern Union rules so i wouldnt be averse to seeing it trialled over here in pre-season or exhibition games.
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| Quote ="Flashjohns"I watched the game online last night and it was actually a very interesting concept well executed IMO. One play of the ball with no kicking allowed, just passes. A penalty try would be awarded if the defending team are penalised for any offence. Could see some very inventive set plays being tried out.
Could actually be as good an introduction as the 40-20 i think. Understand the hesitation surrounding the history of the scoring system but the game as it is now is far removed from that of the original Northern Union rules so i wouldnt be averse to seeing it trialled over here in pre-season or exhibition games.
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How much is the second play worth, another 4 points? What would happen if the defence intercepted and went the full length? Or went for the interception and knocked on? Or kicked a loose ball?
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| If you score the try and then don't take the kick but go for "second try" do you still get to kick at goal after the second try? i.e giving you a maximum of 10 points from the scores
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| Quote ="Grimmy"How much is the second play worth, another 4 points?'"
In all likelihood, yes.
Quote ="Grimmy"What would happen if the defence intercepted and went the full length?'"
Try for the other team as normal.
Quote ="Grimmy"Or went for the interception and knocked on? Or kicked a loose ball?'"
In those two incidents I'd imagine that as soon as the ball went dead there would be a turnover, which seems the fairest option imo.
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| What happens if you score on the 'double try play'? Can you then go back to the 15 metre line and go for a third try?! I presume if you score twice then that is it. You can't try for a third time nor can you attempt a kick a goal from play two.
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| Can't see many teams trying it to be honest. In the NFL the 2-point conversion works because you have several different options of what you can do from one play from the 3-yard line (run up the middle, run out wide, passes, fakes, QB sneaks etc.) A tap on the 15 in rugby league doesn't really give you much of a chance of actually scoring a try, especially if you aren't allowed to kick it. We would see some creativity from the coaches should it come into play though, which would be interesting
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| Its simply one more play worth 4 points, if you score or not play resumes as a re-start as it would after a conversion attempt.
Didnt hear a mention of what happens in an interception scenario and couldnt find anything online, even on the NRL homepage. Id probably say the play is stopped if the defensive team recover the ball, this is based on the NRL Allstars knocking on in their attempt and play stopping but this is just my opinion.
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Quote ="Flashjohns"Its simply one more play worth 4 points, if you score or not play resumes as a re-start as it would after a conversion attempt.
Didnt hear a mention of what happens in an interception scenario and couldnt find anything online, even on the NRL homepage. Id probably say the play is stopped if the defensive team recover the ball, this is based on the NRL Allstars knocking on in their attempt and play stopping but this is just my opinion.'"
from: www.nrl.com/newsviews/latestnews ... fault.aspx
The double try or eight-point try: Once a try is scored, the captain of the scoring team can advise the referee that the team will forgo the conversion and opt for the chance to have an additional play instead. Once a team decides to attempt the eight-point try, both sides can interchange to bring on offensive or defensive players. Play will then resume anywhere between the 10 and 20 metre mark and in line with where the try was scored. There is no kicking allowed in the extra play – the attacking team must break the defensive line to score. Any stoppage other than a try will see the match restart with a kick-off from halfway.
I think the line "Any stoppage other than a try will see the match restart with a kick-off from halfway" means a try to the attacking team and that if the attacking team lose possession such as an intercept then the play is over and kick off from half way as per usual.
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Didnt hear a mention of what happens in an interception scenario and couldnt find anything online, even on the NRL homepage. Id probably say the play is stopped if the defensive team recover the ball, this is based on the NRL Allstars knocking on in their attempt and play stopping but this is just my opinion.'"
from: www.nrl.com/newsviews/latestnews ... fault.aspx
The double try or eight-point try: Once a try is scored, the captain of the scoring team can advise the referee that the team will forgo the conversion and opt for the chance to have an additional play instead. Once a team decides to attempt the eight-point try, both sides can interchange to bring on offensive or defensive players. Play will then resume anywhere between the 10 and 20 metre mark and in line with where the try was scored. There is no kicking allowed in the extra play – the attacking team must break the defensive line to score. Any stoppage other than a try will see the match restart with a kick-off from halfway.
I think the line "Any stoppage other than a try will see the match restart with a kick-off from halfway" means a try to the attacking team and that if the attacking team lose possession such as an intercept then the play is over and kick off from half way as per usual.
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| I think it is a good idea.
We could just get Feka running from just before the half way line. tap the ball when he reaches about 30 knots and hey presto. 4 points in the bag
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