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| Ridiculous. I get that hosting Leigh at Clarington Park is not really practical but if they can't make a decent profit then its a mockery and a sham for the Challenge Cup. I wish Orrell was brought up to safety scratch for this very scenario.
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Quote ="Bluenosewarrior"In the best interest of players and club.
The Challenge Cup fixtures have been released and many will see that we are not taking part this year.
For those that remember last year, we drew a home game against Leigh Centurians. Unfortunately due to the rules of the game we were unable to hold this fixture at home, which would have been fantastic for the club and town.
After a frantic search for an alternative venue in Wigan, we were forced to use the Leigh Sports Village. Due to the ridiculous costs involved, which we had cover and share the profit with the Centurians, we made a total of £63.
Though there have been discussions regarding securing solutions for Amateur Clubs who see themselves in similar situations in the future, there has been nothing put in writing.
Both the Management Committee and the Open Age Coaching Staff, therefore felt it was not in the players or clubs interest to enter the competition this year.
We instead have a number of home friendlies that will support revenue being brought into the club.
We wish all our fellow Amateur Clubs who are competing in the Challenge Cup the very best of luck.
www.pitchero.com/clubs/wiganstpa ... 57455.html
Quite sad to see this happen, but I respect the decision made by St Pats, quite shocking that they weren't allowed to use their own ground.'"
I had just checked to see the full draw listing and noticed Pats weren't in there and was wondering why - tough decision on the committees part I think. £63 ....pffft," owd George" gets more than that in his collecting bucket at every home game
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Quote ="Bluenosewarrior"In the best interest of players and club.
The Challenge Cup fixtures have been released and many will see that we are not taking part this year.
For those that remember last year, we drew a home game against Leigh Centurians. Unfortunately due to the rules of the game we were unable to hold this fixture at home, which would have been fantastic for the club and town.
After a frantic search for an alternative venue in Wigan, we were forced to use the Leigh Sports Village. Due to the ridiculous costs involved, which we had cover and share the profit with the Centurians, we made a total of £63.
Though there have been discussions regarding securing solutions for Amateur Clubs who see themselves in similar situations in the future, there has been nothing put in writing.
Both the Management Committee and the Open Age Coaching Staff, therefore felt it was not in the players or clubs interest to enter the competition this year.
We instead have a number of home friendlies that will support revenue being brought into the club.
We wish all our fellow Amateur Clubs who are competing in the Challenge Cup the very best of luck.
www.pitchero.com/clubs/wiganstpa ... 57455.html
Quite sad to see this happen, but I respect the decision made by St Pats, quite shocking that they weren't allowed to use their own ground.'"
I had just checked to see the full draw listing and noticed Pats weren't in there and was wondering why - tough decision on the committees part I think. £63 ....pffft," owd George" gets more than that in his collecting bucket at every home game
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| I just think that it's sad that Whelan couldn't have allowed them to use the DW at a reduced rate to play Leigh. I know he wont let us play any friendlies there, but he surely could have helped out a local amateur team. He prides himself on his involvement in the " Youth Zone" project and good on him for that but here was a chance to help out a local amateur side on what for them should have been a big day for their club with a chance of securing some decent funds to help their development.
Before any one says that it would be setting a precedent and that other local rugby and football teams would expect the same I would say so what? Let them as well. It would probably only be about 1 or 2 games a season at most. I am sure a lot of people on here can remember when Central Park was used for all of the schools finals at all age groups not to mention the Ken Gee Cup final.
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| Quote ="leg_end"I just think that it's sad that Whelan couldn't have allowed them to use the DW at a reduced rate to play Leigh. I know he wont let us play any friendlies there, but he surely could have helped out a local amateur team. He prides himself on his involvement in the " Youth Zone" project and good on him for that but here was a chance to help out a local amateur side on what for them should have been a big day for their club with a chance of securing some decent funds to help their development.
Before any one says that it would be setting a precedent and that other local rugby and football teams would expect the same I would say so what? Let them as well. It would probably only be about 1 or 2 games a season at most. I am sure a lot of people on here can remember when Central Park was used for all of the schools finals at all age groups not to mention the Ken Gee Cup final.'"
I remember playing in a school final at Central Park and at the old Wilderspool ground, it always brings back great memories of playing on the very same pitch as your hero's of the time, they should bring it back. Whilst the kids playing a mini match at half time is great for them as an experience, nothing beats playing on the full size pitch.
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| Why could Wigan not help out with Orrell?
I don't know if it was discussed and wasn't an option but it seems odd that Wigan who have benefited from Pats players couldn't have done anything
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| Quote ="FAXE LUCAS"Why could Wigan not help out with Orrell?
I don't know if it was discussed and wasn't an option but it seems odd that Wigan who have benefited from Pats players couldn't have done anything'"
Agree, or Wigan council could have waived the stadium charges for that one game.
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| Quote ="leg_end"I just think that it's sad that Whelan couldn't have allowed them to use the DW at a reduced rate to play Leigh. I know he wont let us play any friendlies there, but he surely could have helped out a local amateur team. He prides himself on his involvement in the " Youth Zone" project and good on him for that but here was a chance to help out a local amateur side on what for them should have been a big day for their club with a chance of securing some decent funds to help their development.
Before any one says that it would be setting a precedent and that other local rugby and football teams would expect the same I would say so what? Let them as well. It would probably only be about 1 or 2 games a season at most. I am sure a lot of people on here can remember when Central Park was used for all of the schools finals at all age groups not to mention the Ken Gee Cup final.'"
DW would have cost far more than LSV
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| Quote ="Pieman"DW would have cost far more than LSV'"
Did you not see the "REDUCED RATE" ?
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| Quote ="leg_end"Did you not see the "REDUCED RATE" ?'"
who would pay the wages for bar staff stewards etc? Not all about a field its a stadium
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| Quote ="Pieman"who would pay the wages for bar staff stewards etc? Not all about a field its a stadium'"
Dave Whelan? As a gesture?
If not due to cost just don't bother with a bar or stadium food and just let the burger vans cater for the latter.
That said if this episode doesn't reinforce what Bilko said about Orrell, what does?
It would be great to be able to offer that for local amateur sides in the CC.
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| What was interesting at that game at LSV was the lack of support for Pats on the night compared to the last time the two sides met in about 98, and is probably indicative of how the CC has been run down. The chance for an amateur team to have a pop at a pro team used to have all the club travelling plus mates and family for a good day out, or a riot for one or two clubs who will remain nameless.
Such a shame.
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| Quote ="maurice"What was interesting at that game at LSV was the lack of support for Pats on the night compared to the last time the two sides met in about 98, and is probably indicative of how the CC has been run down. The chance for an amateur team to have a pop at a pro team used to have all the club travelling plus mates and family for a good day out, or a riot for one or two clubs who will remain nameless.
Such a shame.'"
I think the fact that Wigan were at home the same night was part of the problem. If we weren't playing then I probably would have gone to support Pats.
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| I would have gone as well had it not clashed with a Wigan game
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| Quote ="DaveO"Dave Whelan? As a gesture?
If not due to cost just don't bother with a bar or stadium food and just let the burger vans cater for the latter.
That said if this episode doesn't reinforce what Bilko said about Orrell, what does?
It would be great to be able to offer that for local amateur sides in the CC.'"
a gesture? He has no affiliation to any RL club but want him to pay for one? If anything Leigh should have done it considering they are a full time club.
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| To be fair to Wigan, when my Club (Ince Rose Bridge) where drawn at home in the challenge cup Kris Radlinski was very helpful to us and offered the use of Orrell and was very accommodating and professional in all my dealings with him. Due to circumstances we could not take up their offer.
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| Irrespective of anyone helping out Wigan St Pats with this issue and the fact that they only made £63 from singeing last seasons challenge cup game
I personally would have entered the club into the competition if it was my decision as it is a chance for the club to showcase its self and to let their players test themselves against professional opposition
I am very disappointed that Wigan Warriors could not have helped out more with this issue, but i suppose that is out of our hands as we don't own our own stadium
I recall that Milford were allowed to use Headingley stadium on the cheap when they played Barrow Raiders in the Challenge Cup last season
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| Quote ="Pieman"a gesture? He has no affiliation to any RL club but want him to pay for one? If anything Leigh should have done it considering they are a full time club.'"
Leigh rent LSV, there was £126 left after costs of LSV - think Salford still owe LSV £100k or so, so maybe the Dr should have
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| Quote ="trent"Irrespective of anyone helping out Wigan St Pats with this issue and the fact that they only made £63 from singeing last seasons challenge cup game
I personally would have entered the club into the competition if it was my decision as it is a chance for the club to showcase its self and to let their players test themselves against professional opposition
I am very disappointed that Wigan Warriors could not have helped out more with this issue, but i suppose that is out of our hands as we don't own our own stadium
I recall that Milford were allowed to use Headingley stadium on the cheap when they played Barrow Raiders in the Challenge Cup last season'"
Be assured the decision was not made lightly and discussed at length with the best interest of all concerned, particularly the players.
A lot of effort is put into hosting a game like that and one of the main reasons for an amateur club is to make a bit of money. The challenge is great but with the cards stacked it's not much benefit to anyone.
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| Quote ="maurice"Leigh rent LSV, there was £126 left after costs of LSV - think Salford still owe LSV £100k or so, so maybe the Dr should have'"
Still a fully pro club made the amateur club stump up money, pretty poor
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| It also said in the article in the WEP that explained their absence that St Pats suffered 3 long term injuries to players from the Leigh match (as well as making little money and losing by about 70). The loss of those players greatly affected their NCL season and they didn't want to risk the same again and would rather focus on staying in the NCL Premier than hoping to get a game in the cup against a big semi pro club that they have little hope of winning. As someone else said the decision wasn't purely monetary.
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| Quote ="FAXE LUCAS"Why could Wigan not help out with Orrell?
I don't know if it was discussed and wasn't an option but it seems odd that Wigan who have benefited from Pats players couldn't have done anything'"
It wasn't an option, the Orrell pitch was out of commission due to ongoing maintenance at the time I believe
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| Quote ="Pieman"Still a fully pro club made the amateur club stump up money, pretty poor'"
Don't get it do you, an amateur club drew a part time club at home and rented a ground from the council to stage it on, even a baker from Bent should understand that
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| Quote ="maurice"Don't get it do you, an amateur club drew a part time club at home and rented a ground from the council to stage it on, even a baker from Bent should understand that'"
Were Leigh not full time last year?
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| Quote ="Pieman"Were Leigh not full time last year?'"
No mate only gone full time this year with the extra money from winning the league and Grand Final.
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| Quote ="maurice"Don't get it do you, an amateur club drew a part time club at home and rented a ground from the council to stage it on, even a baker from Bent should understand that'"
Still would seem rather petty that Leigh took their £63 from the gate receipts instead of letting the amateurs have it! I bet Beaumonts bar bill was more than that!
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