Straight from the mouth of an experienced first teamer this week (expressed with much anger and frustration btw!) - 'we have no direction or game plan, we don't know what we're doing on the field. All we're told before a game is to bash 'em. The squad's divided, players are falling out with each other all the time. Its not good right now'.

Wane needs to go

If that’s true then Wane should be gone this weekend, sadly his ego will make sure he finishes the season with us

Last night reminded me so much of when we had Noble coaching and Trent Barrett in the halves.

No game plan and no direction until Barrett decided he was going to do what he wanted during games rather than listen to Noble and just play his own way, which often saw us turn losing positions into winning ones.

It was clear Tomkins and Batemen got fed up and decided to try to play Saints on their own after 60 minutes of rudderless action.

Wane needs to go now.

Aw that’s not fair on Noble at all. We had a very clear game plan which was 5 drives and kick it!

I would never believe it except it all shows on the pitch. Hard to see where it’s all gone wrong over the last couple of years? Wane’s stubbornness not to get an attacking coach (or any competent assistant) is probably one of the answers.

I’d be really interested to know how players that have been at the club for many years would compare current leadership style with that of Maguire?

There is certainly evidence that the culture that he instigated has been eroded.

Huge task ahead for the new coach and I don’t think a one season temporary appointment is going to cut it.

Players were arguing last night so it seems to have some weight. Things just don’t look right at the minute. We’re unorganised and really down on energy from the first minute.

I’d love to think Wane can raise us for one last tilt but the signs aren’t good.

Can very well believe that, been same for last 3 years. We badly need Wane to go.

Against Leeds and Warrington a few weeks ago, we looked like the most galvanised team you could ever want to see. We we fast and slick and clearly all playing as a unit against Leeds and we’re dogged and committed against Wire.

The last 2 weeks have been poor and there’s no getting away from that but there is something in this side that makes me think you’ll write us off at your peril. I’m still confident of a top 4 finish and I’m confident of a place at old Trafford. If we get there, it’s anybody's game.

We are ready for a big change and we definitely need it but we’ve got plenty to play for this season.

If Wane goes now - and he should - there is no point bringing an outsider in as a temporary fix until the end of the season. The problems will persist. The only solution IMO is to appoint Lockers as player coach, he is well respected throughout the club and a natural leader.

I don’t care that he has no experience as a Head Coach, the players aren’t lacking in skill or talent. They just need some direction and motivation.

My husband picked up on them seemingly niggling each other a few matches backlit really is time for a change the season could come to nothing if things remain the same.

It was especially clear when Sam, for about the last 20 minutes, chimed in and decided sod it ! Then we were at our most dangerous.

Bateman has been the only constant decent player of late.

2nd in the league, 2nd top points scorers, 2nd best defence. Who are you trying to kid?

Did Darrell Powell tell Cas to go out and try to bash em tonight?

23-0 our last big game fans dropping like flies, only be you and a few more Happy Clappers left soon, i actually think you are part of the problem..

For once take those cherry & white specs off, smell the coffee and then say.. “ yes there are major issues at the club”
Your remind me of the Iraqi minister in the gulf war days every time he was being interviewed. He also kept reporting that everything was fine.

Wrong. It’s you negative, ‘Wigan can do no right’ clan that are part of the problem.

Cast your mind back to the start of the season and there are not many of us that gave Wigan a chance. I seem to recall you and a few others saying we won’t even make the top 4.

The point here is exactly as Rogues says. We are 2nd with 1 game to go before the split, we’ve scored more tries than every club except Saints and our points difference is excellent. We’ve played far better rugby overall this season that we did the last 2 and e all know the impact the injuries had on us.

Has it been a perfect season? Not by a long way but it certainly hasn’t been the doom and gloom that people like you constantly post. It’s time for changes and fresh ideas that’s for sure but I’m still confident of a place in the GF this season. There’s lots still to play for and the challenge is there for us.

If perspective, context and balance make me a happy clapper as you call it, I’ll take it all day long. If constant unnecessary criticism of the club, the players, the coaching staff and fellow fans makes me a more realistic, loyal and better fan, I’m happy not to be and I’ll stay as I am thanks.

You'd have to explain how Im trying to 'kid'. As I said its a direct quote from an experienced first team player. Unless you're suggesting I'm simply lying which I'd take offence to. Keep in mind - its a [isubjective[/i view from one player - its not necessarily reflected by everyone in the squad.

For what its worth I dont think its beyond the realms of possibility that we win the title this year - we'll likely finish in the top 4 pretty much on default due to Hull's injury list and the shocking early season form of some other candidates. Then rightly or wrongly its win two games and become champions. Its possible if most are fit at the right time - everyone will Im sure put doubts and frustrations aside at that stage and do all they can to reach Old Trafford.

In fairness to MadDogg they’ve never come across as somebody who posts wild rumours so I don’t see any reason to doubt the fact that s player has said this. Now of course they (the player) may be miffed about something else and have just decided to fling rubbish around but it makes you wonder.

There’s time for Wane to get us back firing again yet but I can only see that if he opens his eyes and stops being stubborn in regards to the halfback options. If he doesn’t trust Escare at fullback get Sarginsons energy in there and get Sam Tomkins influencing the play up in the line. End the confusion with swapping players around and let Leuluai and Powell share the hooking duties. I sadly won’t hold my breath that he will try anything different mid season though unless injuries strike and with us we only ever seem to pick up injuries to players in form.

Well
I know for a fact by numerous people who are in the dressing room, at training sessions etc that "Bash em" is not all they're told before a game.
So if it's ok I'll take that as my benchmark and form my opinion of this post from that.

Anyone who's been trying to find any stick to beat wane with four the last 3/4 years can continue to blame him for everything.

BTW
I'm all for moving on and having a change of coach, only some of that though is due to wanes performance. Some of it is because for the last 2/3 years it doesn't matter what he says, what he does, what the facts are it will be twisted by some to best him up with.
I'm bored and sick to death with it so at least if we move on it will stop that particular avenue of moaning.

PS

I had the pleasure of sitting next to Shaun wane at a match a year or so ago. (A wigan 1st team game).
For 80mins he never once lost his rag, shouted, screamed, swore, got angry.
He was quite controlled, analytical and actually passed on his instructions in a very controlled manner.

It completely backed up what I had been told about him by the 3/4 people I know who are in that dressing room every week.
Go figure.

Again..a [isubjective[/i view from one player. Im not making any generalisations and not asking anyone else to. People can form their own opinions.

The original post said the squad is divided so you are confirming this.

Rubbish.

It is the players that are not good enough in key positions partly due to injury and partly due to poor recruitment.

Im no big fan of Wane but do not compare this teams performances to the one Maguire had. The difference in player quality is like night and day.

I’ve been lucky enough to be in the dressing room when Wane has addressed the players last season. It was post match and we had won well. He had an aura about him like that of a head master. The changing room was rightly buzzing after the win but when SW walked in and took his place it went silent. He was calm, controlled and completely inspirational with his passion. He summarised the performance, praised the players and started the preparations for the following week’s game. I honestly had goose bumps when he finished. I was a fan of him before that day but my opinion of him went up massively that day.

What I'm saying is that your implication that Wanes only instruction to "bash 'em up" is completely wrong. Yes he wants his team to be physical, go the the U19's today or watch it on Wigan t.v. and you'll see exactly that attitude, do not be dominated. I also believe every coach has a shelf life, but as I said 2nd in the league, 2nd best attack and defence makes ME believe that things aren't as bad as the doom mongers have us all believe.