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Should be a great match next week. The 'Clash Of The Sh!!!te Uns' is back, Saints v Wire. Could be a very, very bad tempered affair.

Would just love a Catalans win on Saturday first!

Carefull kiddies, get a dictionary & look up "hubris" first.
Although......

I hope and pray neither of them are sacked before next week. It will be brilliant to view even though it will be cringe worthy. Whoever loses that game is in BIG trouble. It obviously can't go on forever because they will both be getting the chop soon but i am loving the meltdown at the minute.

I can't work it out. Never liked KC & I've always thought he was out of his depth, but for TS to be failing so spectacularly is baffling.

That was hideous from Warrington. A complete mess- no game plan, no discipline and lots of dumb play.

The lack of intent, passion and fight is astonishing from Wire. They've always given it their all against Wigan regardless of how good or bad they were but you didn't sense that last week.

When Tom Lineham is that miffed he's your most aggressive player you've got problems! There was only him who seemed to play with any intent last week.

I heard that TS does not take training anymore, all Agar.

Realy

If that's true could explain a lot

I'm still astounded they paid a transfer fee for Lineham. He is absolutely useless, but he's just the tip of the iceberg for them.

Of the three fallen giants ('thus far', I add hurriedly), the Warrington one is most puzzling.

Last year proved that McDermott wasn't up to much without his star players, while I don't think anyone outside St Helens thought that KC would do a job.

But Tony Smith was the man for many years, near enough including last year, and yet tonight we saw an all-round display of total ineptitude. Wire lacked everything including spirit.

What the hell has happened?

When you sign players like Blythe it kind of sums it up in a nutshell





Westwood is even too slow and unfit to be a prop nowadays. He reminds me of an asthmatic hedgehog trying to get across the road.

Livett shows bits and bobs but not ready for the deep end clearly. Same applies with Johnson.

Apart from the odd scampering run i fail to see what Russell brings to them

Apart from pace i fail to see what Atkins brings to them

No doubt Smith has lost the players. It's a shame really because i like the guy.

Thats great news! He took us from top 4 to bottom 2 in the space of 4 years, absolutely useless!! couldn't happen to a better club!

He adds the unintentional comedy element with ludicrously inappropriate celebrations.

Unfortunately for Ryan, even late-on consolation tries are becoming rare at Wire these days.

Also to me Patton seems far superior to that Livett. And Gidley actually.

How bad was Kevin Brown tonight

Very rare that a star player moves from one club to another and makes them both worse

Enjoyed that. Immensely! Very entertaining game, even more entertaining post-match interviews...

I only watched the first half due to being absolutely shattered but from what I saw something needs to change very quickly.

I know Briwn started but I hardly saw him touch the ball, Hughes and Westwood were woeful. Westwood has gone on a season too long and for all the athletic ability of Hughes his ability to drop the ball or give away an unnecessary penalty significantly overrides any positive he brings.

Leigh bullied them all over the park, particularly upfront and Hill isn't the type of prop to sort that out, Simms came with that reputation but has failed to live up to it and I expected much more from Cooper.

Gidley again looks like another player who has gone on a year too long, Lineham is a shadow of the player he once was but then again playing outside the battering ram that is Atkins doesn't help.

They don't however become bad players overnight. The lack of aggression and enthusiasm says to me there are much deeper issues at a higher level that need resolving before they will improve on the field.

Also credit to Leigh, they showed them no respect took them on and it worked as Wire instantly wilted.

Just watched the game as I missed it last night. Warrington just seem to be missing some aggression in defence. I've not seen them so passive for a very long time! They're lacking discipline and will probably lose Lineham for a game or two for that elbow incident. Poor ball retention, poor discipline and no aggression will not win you many games. How are they so different to the team that hammered Brisbane? It's fun to watch them at the mo!

Cooper looks a problem for them. They've signed him as a top NRL forward (which he was however much of a shock that was) but he looks back in his superleague comfort zone! I bet they're paying him an awful lot more money then the first time round as well.

Kurt Gidley is really hurting them as well. He looks thoroughly miffed and his form is terrible. He looks ready for retirement and whilst it's easy for people to point the finger at Brown, I think he's being badly let down by Gidley.

On a side note I thought that Glenn Stewart challenge on Brown was a disgrace. It's all well and good copping somebody like that but he seemed to almost celebrate it and to not check on his welfare (when he was clearly in a bad way) was poor from him.

I disagree, yes Stewart's was bad but I don't think it was deliberate, brown juggled the ball prior to being hit which didn't help his cause and left him more vulnerable, that said it was a head shot and should/will be dealt with. Lineman's attack on Hampshire was disgraceful and if singleton can cop a six game ban then there isn't a great deal of difference, in my opinion.

Singleton ran up behind a man with his back to him and was not involved in play ....Cowardly . Lineman's was a lash out during play was bad and and needs to be dealt with but not as bad or cowardly as Singleton's IMO.

Regards , EW

The common factor in both is the use of the elbow, yes under different circumstances but nonetheless.